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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host I should say good

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morning to because this show is running

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live I had to get Alejandro up early

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he's on the other end waiting he'll be

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joining us for the you of UFO updates

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I had to accommodate our guests today

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erich von daniken and he's in sweden so

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i had to accommodate his time that's why

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we're having this show at this time of

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the day and it's nice to have this live

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stream on YouTube where I can do this

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and I'm not stuck to any radio program

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schedule that's the one great thing

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about not being on a radio program a

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couple things up we're going to be

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talking about his book it's called the

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gods never left us great book I really

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enjoyed reading it and also I wanted to

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tell people that I now have a UFO

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sighting reporting form it's an

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anonymous form and the reason I did that

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that's on podcast UFO calm the reason I

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did that myself along with Alejandro I

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know it gets a lot of people that write

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us about their UFO reports they don't

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necessarily want to report them on the

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on the page where the UFO sightings are

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posted now I do have information where

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people can definitely report these

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things I have links to move on and to

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new Fork where people can report those

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to they said Center I do encourage that

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but if if you just feel like posting

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anonymously there's some great postings

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up already in just a few days one from

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Boston wanna a lot of orbs triangle

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things like that a diamond shape one so

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that's at podcast UFO calm under UFO

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sightings and all that informations

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right there thank you so much if you

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support the show anyone can support the

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about the supporters they can listen to

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it as a podcast and their media player

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live always and on the dark matter

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digital network and that's every

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Thursday at 10 p.m. to midnight

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that's Eastern Standard Time just before

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midnight in the desert comes up

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Alejandro how are you doing thank you

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and good morning good morning how are

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you good thanks for getting up early for

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me I really appreciate it and look at

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that look at the backgrounds nice and

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bright and sunny I heard you said it's

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warm out there it is sunny as heck well

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I was trying to make a joke because you

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kept saying my Skype was freezing I

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think that strange because it's warm out

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yeah speaking of that I'm going to push

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this up on my screen right here for the

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YouTube that is outside of my house

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we had a yeah I really afraid we had a

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major ice storm here and it was actually

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like 25 degrees you got raining so

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that's a dangerous I can't believe I

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still have internet and well shouldn't

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say that I might jinx it but I still

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have Internet and I still have

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electricity which is very unusual

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usually it loves to go down in an ice

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storm like that but anyway I'm here I'm

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excited about our guest today and before

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we get it going in the news I just

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wanted to tell you in this book that I

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just read of Erich von Daniken's he

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references

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he wrote this any other 2015 or 2016 I'm

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going to ask him but he actually

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references the Pentagon the secret

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Pentagon search in a roundabout way of

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things that he was looking into I

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thought that was really interesting I

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didn't was that news readily available

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out there people search for do you know

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hello hundra what do you mean he

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referred to you he talks about he talks

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about I can quote it right here and okay

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and ask him to I'm hang on just a second

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and it is the US Department of

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Transportation published a memo for

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pilots on February 9th 2012 titled

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section 8 unidentified flying objects

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UFO reports that tells pilots that

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they should report UFO sightings

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specifically to Bigelow Aerospace

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advanced Space Studies and provide its

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old that's old so that's all part of

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this the whole thing well so what

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happened is the FAA used to say it's

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kind of not complete so the FAA used to

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say if you called them to send reports

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to NAR cap or a new fork I'm sorry new

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who you've had on your show and then

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Bigelow with the aid of John Alexander

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because John Alexander helped him on

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this they got the FAA to also include

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Bigelow however they were in the

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number-two spot since new fork was at

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and so what happened was they were

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listed but what's funny is and and I

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think that the FAA just chose someone

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randomly because new pork if you googled

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it back then they were the first ones

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online and to have all this information

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online so I think that's why they were

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first but so now Bigelow is listed and

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even the first time I called the FAA for

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a UFO case they said called new fork or

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new fork or Bigelow so yeah so that's

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that's yeah they've been on there for a

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long time but you you make a good point

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that now that we know that Bigelow hat

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was working with the DoD and this a tip

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you know this program that they had it

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said you know it said a different light

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on things now we know that Bigelow was

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also getting some funds and some

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resources to investigate those cases

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it's just unfortunate what's weird about

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that still though is why didn't say a

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refer them to Bigelow first instead of

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new Fork first um yeah I don't know

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that's a really good point

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you know maybe because that study was

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more or less interested in just military

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you know what I believe that to be the

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case that's pretty much what Leslie Kane

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has said and that is one of the

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questions that we'll be asking Elizondo

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and you'll be interviewing them pretty

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soon yeah so things have changed a

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little bit so we won't be personally

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interviewing him actually Tom DeLonge

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and his people are going to be

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interviewing them the tts a group

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themselves so but yeah Elizondo has said

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I told him I've got a lot of questions

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here and he said I want to answer all of

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them so I don't know if he's gonna

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actually physically have time to do that

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that would be a very long video and he

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is a talker he loves to talk so but

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we're gonna get a lot of questions

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answered and that I'm sure will be one

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of them they'll be able to share just

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one thing I want to share with you

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quickly on your show a couple days ago I

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talked about the fireball that I had a

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sighting and it currently well you know

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I've got an email this morning from

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someone that was from a guy in Nova

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Scotia you know him Jordan

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we've been on his show he does a podcast

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nighttime podcast and he was all excited

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because his grandfather saw him more

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well basically the same exact thing I

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did Wow but it was like a year or two

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earlier I believe I'm not sure but it's

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possible we saw the same thing it's hard

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to say but he brought he brought our

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recording of that show to his

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grandfather in a nursing home

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his grandfather listened to it and his

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eyes get all big nose that's just what I

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saw that's what I'm Tristan huh that is

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really interesting yeah yeah that

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sighting that you had is extraordinary

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and like I said I encourage you to to

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get in that hot tub a little more often

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because that's when it seems like you

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have the the best sightings yeah that's

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well that's right yeah and like you said

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that does that is not uncommon yeah it's

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not especially it doesn't seem so much

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here in Arizona surprisingly at least I

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haven't heard it of course I haven't

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been MUFON field investigator for a

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while but in Colorado we got that a lot

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yeah

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well you have the wide open skies out

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there and you know and people outside

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all the time yeah that's why you're one

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of the top I think it's third most

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sightings in the country or close to

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yeah by population you know sometimes

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it's at the top so right right so what's

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going on for for news this week yeah

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foreign news it's funny and I don't know

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what it is it's it's the UK I keep

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bringing up the UK and the reason why is

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because you know the tabloids are

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writing UFO stories every day and it

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seems as though they've been in this

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mode for a while to make sure and have a

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story every day and and maybe that's

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been you know boosted by this local this

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recent news with the DoD and they

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probably feel a bit just a fight because

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they're like hey we've been covering UFO

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stories and now you can see that it

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there's all this big stuff but they of

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course cover it in a non credible way

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and so what's really frustrating is it's

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it's almost like they just have to they

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feel so much that they have a have to

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have a story that they pool some of the

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goofiest stuff so there's some really

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goofy stuff out there there's one where

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this alleged photo of onboard an alien

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spaceship that's really goofy but just

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be careful what's really frustrating

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about this is sometimes they do great

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stories though cuz Nick Pope often does

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unfortunately most of the time he's

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interviewed it's through one of these

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tabloids and usually they do a pretty

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decent job with his interviews and of

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course you know I've had a couple on

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there as well but yeah just something to

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watch out for besides that of course so

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we've talked about the fireballs on my

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show because there's been a lot of

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fireballs in the news so you know

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there's one been one in Canada there was

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one about although I think that might

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have been the one that was seen in your

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area as well because often when these

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fireballs happen the big ones they can

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be seen in multiple states and through a

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bigger area so lots of fireballs out

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there otherwise you know I think this is

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kind of a

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story Marie Cisneros she is the state

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director in Montana for the mutual UFO

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network

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she wrote a story for us about Montana

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sightings and she started it off with

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some pretty interesting sightings but

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she ended it and and well-known

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sightings for Montana but she ended it

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with the story of this guy one of the

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reports who while he was in Afghanistan

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serving in the Army had he and his

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buddies that were on a Humvee saw some

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giant craft that they said was floating

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they said it went over these hills and

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it looked like it beamed down near this

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fire where these people were camped out

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and then it moved away and they kind of

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lost sight of it they called her their

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commander and he said okay quit screwing

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around you know pay attention to your

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job so they kind of ignored it although

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he said he indicated his commander had

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seen it also so really interesting

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exciting that she put on there that I

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would encourage people to look at isn't

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it amazing how there seems to be quite a

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few sightings during wartime or any you

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know conflict that just seems to happen

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a lot I don't know it's hard to say

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certainly we have a lot of stories of

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the Foo Fighters the both of lights

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following aircraft in world war ii and

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that seems to be a phenomena there's a

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gentleman who wrote a book on that of

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course it's included in many books but

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that seems to be a legitimate thing

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where and what's strange of course is

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that's early on in the late 40s and kind

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of the modern UFO

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I guess studies it's almost like some

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people think that you know that's when

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they came went that's when we started

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getting observed was during World War

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two and it would be understandable why

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however since then even though we get

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these stories occasionally I don't know

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that anybody's done the work to

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correlate whether or not there are more

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sightings in war zones or not

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certainly military people see them but

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related to that and I don't know we

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might have touched on this before but

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this Nimitz case that Robert Powell has

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been looking into that was part of the

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DoD release that was a situation where

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they saw these lights these military

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jets chased the lights the lights

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disappear and then and that's a very

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common story going all the way back to

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blue book you have tons and other

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governments have these same stories

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where they see an object they they

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scramble Jets the Jets get there in the

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other way at incredible speeds so they

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certainly have a lot of those sort of

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stories do these objects know that

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they're dealing with the military or are

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advanced aircraft and they're kind of

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toying with us or something I don't know

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it's I think that's what's great about

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this latest story is that I think that's

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what at least Lou Elizondo wants to know

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is you know this seems to be the case

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that they seem to be messing with us or

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something and they and that's what they

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want to find out and and at least he

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believes it demonstrates the technology

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beyond our own one which they feel we

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may be able to master ourselves that

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technology and I mean the TTS a group

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that the group that he now belongs to

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with how put off Steve justice this guy

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who worked with Lockheed skunkworks

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and Steven another guy who worked with

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the intelligence jimsim of an another

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guy who worked in intelligence but you

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know these are high-level officials and

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intelligence they all feel that you know

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it might be possible to back engineer

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just by observation this technology and

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we could use it possibly today so that's

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what's exciting about what they're doing

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that's what they want to do I have heard

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that claim in it I just puzzled at how

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just by observation someone could

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possibly you know reverse engineer

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something it seems like it would have to

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have a lot you'd have to have a lot more

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than that to be able well you know it's

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interesting that Star Star Trek in

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particular

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has inspired a lot of Technology and

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yeah there's a guy here at ASU professor

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and we've wanted to get him before at

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our conference to speak on this but he

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is like it's extremely expensive it's

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he's it's expensive to get as dan

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aykroyd if not more oren Michiyo kaku

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because he's in really high demand Kraus

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is his name I forget isn't but I think

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it's Richard Kraus but so just by

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observing this on television and kind of

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like using the imagination that hey

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maybe this is possible that had makes

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these engineers and these these people

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scientists and and just entrepreneurs

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and inventors to try to invent those

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things that they observe so yeah that

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wasn't even face done yeah so I guess

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it's possible it inspires us to move in

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a certain direction yeah getting back to

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the conflicts I thought I heard now it

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may be just a rumor and I may have the

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person totally wrong here but I thought

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dr. Richard Haines was doing some type

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of work on Vietnam do you ever hear

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anything about that or am I getting that

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wrong or that could be I'm not sure

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Vietnam sightings are interesting we've

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got a couple articles that Antonio who

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Naas wrote open mind TV and during that

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period of time there was he writes a

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story about a particular general opera

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who was collecting some of these stories

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and they marked him down as enemy

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helicopters and the reason why is the

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enemy in Vietnam did not have

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helicopters so it definitely wasn't

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theirs but it was an unknown object that

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they felt I think at first originally

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thought could be helicopters but they

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knew weren't and and he knew they

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weren't but he decided to use that name

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so it wouldn't you know arouse suspicion

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or people wouldn't get all excited and

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freaked out but so he could record the

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sightings apparently so yeah so it was a

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big thing in Vietnam to call him unknown

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how are enemy helicopters about that now

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again I know that I've mentioned this

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my show a number of times but I don't

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know if I've ever told you Alejandro so

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if the listeners a longtime listener

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just bear with me but I actually had an

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insurance agent that sold me a life

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insurance policy about 25 years or so

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ago who told me that the the UFO subject

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wasn't even brought up but he said he

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was in Vietnam and he was talking about

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it and then he all of a sudden he tells

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me well I was actually in like a special

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secret

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task force I think he said something

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like that and I said oh yeah what what

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type of secret task force in because we

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were actually investigating UFOs you're

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told that no this is back you know 2025

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years ago okay I've tried to figure out

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and then he told me there's a connection

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with nukes and UFOs you know the whole

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thing and so you know I had kind of

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forgotten about it over the years and

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then when I started doing the show I

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remember then I try to remember his name

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for the life of me I can't remember his

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name and haven't reach him that's what's

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interesting and I think that's what gets

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lost in a lot of when we're trying to

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create these grand conspiracy theories

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around UFOs and what the government

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knows is that you know a lot of these

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agencies and and that includes the

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branches of the service work a bit in

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silos and not even a bit very much in

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silos where they're doing their thing

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they're not sharing their information

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with others and then if that program

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gets cancelled all of that data and

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information just may just disappear go

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away and not even necessarily

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maliciously but just because nobody's

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working that program they figure and we

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don't need these files anymore and and

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they're gone so it could be the army had

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a program where they made some headway

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and figured out some of these things but

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little did the DoD know or little did at

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Air Force or Navy know they had this

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program and so there could be we could

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now that we know about this one program

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there could have been others that

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hopefully we'll discover over time or

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some that may just be lost to obscurity

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completely that the files and

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information are gone maybe even the

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people who ran them have passed away and

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we'll just never know yeah yeah I would

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imagine

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no you would think that if there's some

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footage that it's stored somewhere

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that's what you know it's got to be

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somewhere I would well think they would

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destroy it

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footage from Vietnam especially is very

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easy to destroy and in fact it can be

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difficult to to hold on to for a long

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period of time film deteriorates and

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film you know unless it was transferred

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and it could be someone just felt that

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you know hey this is just gonna be a

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black mark on the army I think we should

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just destroy this it could be at the

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whims of one person in charge who could

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be like I'm just gonna put all this in

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the incinerator and that's it and it's

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gone so well well we only have a couple

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minutes here so just real quickly the

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the International UFO Congress is coming

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up and that's what your show is about if

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anyone wants to listen to open minds

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last show with you and Karen and also

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that's just that's coming up I'm real

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excited about it I want to tell the

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listener that if you are planning on

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coming to the Phoenix event please

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please seek me please search me down

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find me be fun to hang out with you and

495
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also we're doing a the live show there

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at 4 o'clock

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that's a Phoenix time so it's going to

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be two hours earlier on EST so we don't

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if we get a lot of requests for people

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to see you since you know you'll be

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working with us maybe we'll start to

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charge people like 5 bucks and we'll get

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you and sorry you got to make money at

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this event yeah so I'm kidding don't say

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that you're gonna make people so upset

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they get up so where are you chose your

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newest and it's because these things

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literally cost hundreds of thousands of

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dollars so we've got to of course a lot

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of money on the line yeah I'm sure oh

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yes course your rent is unbelievable

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yeah it's absolutely gorgeous

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Giroud and all that I can't wait huge

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point is that people need to register

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before Saturday I said after Saturday

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prices go up so you get a major discount

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if you register before Saturday so if

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you're thinking of coming register in

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the next couple days this is very very

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important and you'll be able to see

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among

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other speakers I mean I think the most

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exciting to think these this particular

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audience would be wanting to see is it

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Martin you might see him behind the

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camera you might see him at the we have

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a stand where we have the audio guys you

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know out in the crowd you might see

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Martin there or he'll be backstage with

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me and so you'll see him around and for

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$5.00 we can get you a handshake image

532
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for that hug oh yeah signature ya know

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I'm very approachable so I've loved to

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talk to anyone

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Alejandro thank you so much and I'll be

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talking you next week all right talk to

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you later all right take care

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you too all right everyone so now we are

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going to we're going to talk to Eric and

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I'll be dialing him via phone and that

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is coming right up pretty excited to

542
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:33,780
talk to Erica I had talked to him a few

543
00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:35,970
years ago I think a three or four years

544
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:39,060
ago for just a short time and and he's a

545
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:41,490
real good spirit a real nice guy and

546
00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:54,210
here we are trying to connect and should

547
00:24:02,270 --> 00:23:59,370
be ringing through Eric oh hello Eric

548
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:02,280
how are you I am perfect I'm ready for

549
00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:04,350
the interview all right welcome to the

550
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:07,680
show you are on live thank you so much

551
00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:10,530
for joining us today it's a pleasure for

552
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:11,240
me

553
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,850
what station are you well I'm my own

554
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,000
show it's a it's called podcast UFO it's

555
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:21,000
about five and a half years old show I

556
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:23,970
do but it's live now we're on YouTube so

557
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:27,300
we have a YouTube audience and yeah

558
00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:28,530
we're live streaming right now in

559
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:32,120
YouTube and Eric I get it go ahead yes

560
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,000
yes why are you sitting in which city

561
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:37,860
I'm not in a city I'm on top of a

562
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,980
mountain in the state of Maine if you've

563
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:42,480
ever heard of Maine and we have it we

564
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,510
had a nice warm yes yeah it's very very

565
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:48,480
cold this time of year so I'm sitting in

566
00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:50,610
Switzerland I'm sitting in Switzerland

567
00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:52,470
in a place called in

568
00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:56,070
which belongs to the Bernese Alps it's

569
00:25:00,920 --> 00:24:59,130
wonderful red of blue sky and snow all

570
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:00,930
over great oh wow

571
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,960
sounds absolutely beautiful Eric I got

572
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:06,120
to tell you I read your book the gods

573
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:10,290
never left us and it is I it was one of

574
00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:11,400
those books that I had a hard time

575
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:13,580
putting down I really really enjoyed it

576
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:16,620
thank you about accompaniment yeah and

577
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,690
I'm not I'm not a huge be a real big

578
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:20,940
book reader I'm not so much anymore but

579
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:23,880
this was really a pleasure and I have to

580
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:26,850
tell you the fictional short story you

581
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:30,690
did at the start regarding CERN was

582
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:33,810
fantastic I wanted to keep reading it it

583
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,410
was really good yeah that's a science

584
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:40,260
fiction story yes it was very very good

585
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:42,870
yeah it's not only fantasy a little a

586
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:45,900
little thing of it is true yeah I was

587
00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:47,310
wondering how you came up with that

588
00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:49,830
whole thing well you know I I dream

589
00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:53,160
sometimes I I'm a daydreamer and of

590
00:25:58,670 --> 00:25:55,680
course I was in Geneva I was visiting

591
00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:58,680
some and then the night after my witty

592
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:01,860
bonus comes to my head so I made my

593
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:04,170
fantasies out of it Wow isn't that

594
00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:07,130
that's that's amazing that's amazing so

595
00:26:14,270 --> 00:26:10,430
just a little brief story about that

596
00:26:18,050 --> 00:26:14,280
it's about an elderly couple not too far

597
00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:18,060
away from the CERN and the gentleman

598
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:20,580
starts to see these green orbs which is

599
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:23,730
really fantastic his son works at CERN

600
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:26,010
and but it's a it's a great that's great

601
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:30,530
fictional story so Erik I don't know if

602
00:26:34,910 --> 00:26:33,390
last time I spoke with you if we talked

603
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:34,920
a little bit but I'd like to know what

604
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,480
what shaped what shaped you into writing

605
00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:41,460
books I know you wrote a book just prior

606
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:45,990
to Chariots of the God the gods but but

607
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:48,660
what what led you down that path to

608
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,990
start looking into these things you see

609
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,880
I was educated in Switzerland as a

610
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:56,640
strict Catholic and of course when I was

611
00:27:01,820 --> 00:26:59,190
a boy I was a deep deep believer in God

612
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,830
by the way I am still a believer in God

613
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:04,320
I am still one of these persons who pray

614
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:05,910
every evening but

615
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:08,520
I believe has changed now when I was a

616
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,910
boy I was in a high school which was led

617
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:14,340
by Jesuits Catholic high school for six

618
00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:16,590
years we have to make translations of

619
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:18,870
part of the Bible from Greek to Latin

620
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:22,050
and from Latin to German and in my boys

621
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:26,160
brain God had to be something incredible

622
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:28,740
fantastic but God had to have some

623
00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:32,340
minimum qualities for example God makes

624
00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:35,040
no mistake God does not need a vehicle

625
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:38,040
in which to move from point A to point B

626
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:40,950
because God is all over and so on all

627
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:43,350
these I had in my head now why are we

628
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,450
made translations from one language for

629
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,720
the order I learned that the God of my

630
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:51,360
Bible he uses he vehicle in which to

631
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:53,850
move around from point A to point B for

632
00:27:59,150 --> 00:27:55,920
example his scribe by the prophet

633
00:28:02,270 --> 00:27:59,160
Ezekiel in the Bible or in the second

634
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:02,280
book of Moses before the Lord descends

635
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:05,250
on the holy mountain he gives all the to

636
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,340
Moses to construct a gate around the

637
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:10,740
mountain so that the Israelites would

638
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,620
have be destroyed so Moses constructs a

639
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:15,960
bit gate the Israelites are in safe

640
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:18,390
distance and then the Lord descends on

641
00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:20,850
the Mount which smoke fire trampling

642
00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:24,060
loud noise etc so I simply as a young

643
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:27,540
boy I had my doubts I said this is not

644
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,080
God my God would not need for protection

645
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,480
to first create the gate he does not

646
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,400
need a vehicle to move around with smoke

647
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:38,220
and fire so I had simply doubts in my

648
00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:41,010
own Catholic education and I wanted to

649
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:42,870
find out if other communities in

650
00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:45,690
antiquity have similar stories and that

651
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:47,780
was the beginning of chariots after gosh

652
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:51,900
Wow and what now how did you do your

653
00:28:57,980 --> 00:28:55,200
research on on that book now I have to

654
00:28:59,960 --> 00:28:57,990
tell you I think I read that book but it

655
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,970
would be going all the way back to high

656
00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:02,640
school not long I saw the book

657
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:04,800
everywhere by the way at my high school

658
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,900
it looked like everyone was reading it

659
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:09,360
and I'm talking like in the 70s so

660
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:11,310
people were still you know reading it

661
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:14,970
for quite a while but how did you do the

662
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:17,640
research and as far as you know the

663
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,240
ancient

664
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:22,480
you know the the temples and things like

665
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:27,760
that when from my family I came from the

666
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:30,850
hotel business so after my hike School

667
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:33,220
where I graduated I first went to the

668
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:35,980
hotel school in Switzerland after our

669
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,200
death school I had to work in different

670
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:39,760
hotels in Switzerland

671
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:42,130
I was for a short time a waiter I was

672
00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:44,920
for short I'm a barkeeper I was for

673
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:47,320
short I'm a cook I was of course at the

674
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:49,900
reception maid making continuity and

675
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:52,090
when I read Chariots of the Gods

676
00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:54,790
I was already the manager of a five-star

677
00:30:01,049 --> 00:29:58,390
hotel in Switzerland now this hotel was

678
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:01,059
a seasonal hotel that means it was only

679
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:03,970
open in winter and in summer the months

680
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:06,610
between I was free and I was always

681
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:09,610
traveling and breeding I I read

682
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:11,620
archaeologically books and I said here

683
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:13,900
is a mystery but before you write about

684
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:16,260
it you have learned what two other

685
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:18,760
archaeologists say about this

686
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:21,190
archaeological site and then you have to

687
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:23,140
go there you have to touch it you have

688
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:25,450
to smell it you have to be locally a to

689
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:28,960
to see it personally that's what I did I

690
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:32,170
spent a lot of money and time to go to

691
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:34,780
all these archeological places and to go

692
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:36,970
to all the libraries and to study what

693
00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:39,610
archaeologists said but of course I

694
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:42,429
still still had an opposite opinion and

695
00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:45,720
by the way in Chariots of the Gods I had

696
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:49,780
238 question marks no one read the

697
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:52,090
question mark they all see what Eric

698
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:53,590
lyrical said but it was a lot of

699
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:55,809
question marks in there anyhow I was

700
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:57,790
happy because with Chariots of the Gods

701
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:01,360
I made a lot of money so I could stop my

702
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:04,630
hotel business I stepped out of my hotel

703
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:06,910
business and singed aliens after God I

704
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:10,090
was simply just researching looking

705
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:15,940
travelling discussion well and how let's

706
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:17,890
see how many copies of Chariots of the

707
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:21,130
Gods have sold that you're aware of well

708
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:23,830
I think about 12 million copies only in

709
00:31:27,650 --> 00:31:25,570
the United States there were about six

710
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:27,660
million copies in the paperback version

711
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:30,040
and maybe about the few hundred thousand

712
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:32,290
in the hardcover but the book went all

713
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:33,130
over the

714
00:31:40,499 --> 00:31:36,970
it's still published today in some you

715
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:40,509
know eastern states before that there

716
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:42,820
was an Eastern Bloc politically there

717
00:31:49,259 --> 00:31:46,450
was a so-called iron cruncher before

718
00:31:54,299 --> 00:31:49,269
that anaconda Anakin did not exist in

719
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,309
countries like Hungaria Romania etc only

720
00:31:58,259 --> 00:31:55,840
when the role that the so-called

721
00:32:00,509 --> 00:31:58,269
Eisenwald broke Erich von Daniken has

722
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:00,519
come to these countries too so still

723
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:03,850
today we have some contracts with some

724
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,590
countries about chariots of the garage

725
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:07,840
or to the book is fifty years now old

726
00:32:15,259 --> 00:32:11,830
now it's really something

727
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:15,269
so yeah someone sent me this question

728
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:18,549
and it's been 50 years since you wrote

729
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,990
Chariots of the Gods speaking of that

730
00:32:24,379 --> 00:32:22,240
I'm looking back from your current

731
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:24,389
position is there anything you regret

732
00:32:31,019 --> 00:32:27,730
including or anything you wish you had

733
00:32:33,389 --> 00:32:31,029
included of course you know when you are

734
00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:33,399
young and as I told you I come from the

735
00:32:37,769 --> 00:32:35,320
hotel business when you are young you

736
00:32:40,019 --> 00:32:37,779
are not self-critical or not you believe

737
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:40,029
in yourself and you believe in every

738
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:42,250
source when somebody tells you of a

739
00:32:47,249 --> 00:32:43,480
treatment in another book you believe

740
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:47,259
you take it for true and I made some

741
00:33:16,919 --> 00:32:48,970
mistakes of course in chariots of the

742
00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:22,919
Erick we have we have an audio issue and

743
00:33:28,169 --> 00:33:25,179
I'm really sorry about that I don't know

744
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:28,179
what's going on you have I can can't

745
00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:29,830
hear you so I'm gonna call you right

746
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:30,279
back

747
00:33:34,649 --> 00:33:32,980
I'm gonna call you right there you are

748
00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:34,659
there you are okay you're about it yeah

749
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:36,669
yeah I'm not sure what happened but your

750
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:38,950
audio your audio just went out so much

751
00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:40,809
for library retail the simple story

752
00:33:43,409 --> 00:33:41,620
again

753
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:43,419
just the last part of it we couldn't

754
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:46,610
hear yes if you if you had any where any

755
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:47,870
where you want to jump in on it's good

756
00:33:53,169 --> 00:33:50,809
yeah okay so in Chariots of the Gods I

757
00:33:56,890 --> 00:33:53,179
made some mistakes and errors for

758
00:33:59,260 --> 00:33:56,900
example in a swan a swan is a city on

759
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,270
the Upper Nile in Egypt there is a

760
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:01,850
little island with the name elephant in

761
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:05,450
and when I was there someone told me the

762
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:07,670
name elephant in Kemps because the

763
00:34:13,869 --> 00:34:10,820
island seen from the air has the shape

764
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:13,879
of an elephant later I learned this is

765
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:14,990
all nonsense

766
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:16,940
the island has the name elephant in

767
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:19,240
because at some time in the past

768
00:34:24,849 --> 00:34:22,550
elephants were on the islands so it had

769
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:24,859
nothing to do with the shape of the

770
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:27,320
island or for example I was as a young

771
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:29,690
man I was in India I was in Bailey I

772
00:34:35,859 --> 00:34:32,570
mean really I wish it the temple and in

773
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:35,869
the courtyard of the temple is one Colin

774
00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:39,350
made out of metal and the Colin did not

775
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:41,960
rusted the Colin was there for hundreds

776
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:43,730
and hundreds of years the priest Tony I

777
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,040
touched it touched the Colin and so I

778
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:48,560
speculated in Chariots of the Gods this

779
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:51,740
might be an extraterrestrial Colin you

780
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:55,190
know some some material which we don't

781
00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:57,290
have on this planet in the mean time

782
00:35:03,090 --> 00:34:59,660
more than fifty years have passed and

783
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:03,100
this stupid Colin is now resting so I

784
00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:07,580
was wrong so I see things happen things

785
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:10,040
happened of course yeah absolutely

786
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:14,960
absolutely and so in your book in your

787
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:16,850
recent book that we're talking about

788
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:20,420
today you start there's one place in

789
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:22,430
there where you speak about you know

790
00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:24,890
what is the beginning of life and I

791
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:26,380
thought that was a very interesting

792
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:27,590
chapter

793
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,380
you know panspermia possibly or the

794
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:33,200
chemical evolution the genetic code and

795
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:36,680
DNA and all that the odds are just so

796
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:39,230
incredible I mean I don't know where you

797
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:41,690
got your sources I mean your sources are

798
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:43,180
definitely in the back of the book but

799
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:47,030
really amazing you see I have good

800
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:49,130
friends in Switzerland and one of my

801
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:51,140
friends is a professor doctor in

802
00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:54,890
genetics and he has a lot of time to

803
00:36:00,080 --> 00:35:57,320
talk with me and and we have had

804
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,090
discussions and he told me Eric you must

805
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:02,820
roll this in such-and-such a book in

806
00:36:08,330 --> 00:36:05,700
that that literature you will find it so

807
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:08,340
I had helps from other and in the

808
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,270
meantime I'm nearly sure we are not only

809
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:15,240
the product of evolution of course there

810
00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:18,570
is evolution but not only there was

811
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,360
always during thousands of years some

812
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:23,940
interferences from outside this is what

813
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,000
mythology says the gods created humans

814
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,480
according their own image you see

815
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:33,660
sometimes some critics attack me and say

816
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:36,660
this is all nonsense we know we are the

817
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:39,690
product of evolution of course we are

818
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:42,570
the product of evolution for example we

819
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:44,190
have on this planet we have an apple

820
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:47,070
tree and the apple tree is a project of

821
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:49,590
evolution there might have been some

822
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:52,490
hundred thousands of years ago some

823
00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:56,040
beginning of apple tree whatever but in

824
00:37:03,740 --> 00:36:59,970
the course of time we have crafted we

825
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:03,750
did grafting we changed the apple tree

826
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:07,260
so we have we went into the genetics of

827
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:09,330
the apple tree even without knowing

828
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,390
something about of genetics simply by

829
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:14,880
grafting so evolution of the apple tree

830
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:19,410
yes but not only because by grafting we

831
00:37:26,570 --> 00:37:23,880
change the Apple exactly yeah I remember

832
00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:26,580
I mean they've been grafting for for

833
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:28,620
decades and decades probably even

834
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:31,250
hundreds of years I don't even know yes

835
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,050
yes don't father with the with the monks

836
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:36,240
name was Mendel in Germany but that's

837
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:39,390
200 years ago that's 200 Wow amazing

838
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,020
yeah Moorish yeah yeah yeah I've always

839
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:46,380
you know I've contemplated a lot you

840
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,700
know how how how could the first spark

841
00:37:54,830 --> 00:37:52,740
of life wherever it was in our whole

842
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:54,840
entire universe how could that have

843
00:37:59,570 --> 00:37:57,480
started it's just it's such a it's such

844
00:38:02,620 --> 00:37:59,580
a mystery so it's really really

845
00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:02,630
interesting you see finally you still

846
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:06,870
end with God you could say okay this

847
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:11,310
human race was created by evolution and

848
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,080
by by into 30 bikes

849
00:38:17,790 --> 00:38:15,760
but then you have to ask the question

850
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:17,800
where did these extraterrestrials come

851
00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:20,110
from now you can say well they have been

852
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:22,120
visited from another solar system and

853
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:24,190
where did the others come from so you

854
00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:26,860
can play back this game for billions of

855
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:28,990
years it doesn't matter finally you

856
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:31,720
arrive to a stopping place and there in

857
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:34,660
every respect with religion you will say

858
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:38,170
here is God so you never lose God but

859
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:40,570
when you deal with the subject I have

860
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:43,720
done uh uh-huh

861
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:47,440
now what about modern humans you know

862
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:50,260
that's I think you know the science is

863
00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:52,390
out there that they consider and the

864
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:54,550
modern human to be Homo Sapien to be

865
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:56,530
like a few hundred thousand years old

866
00:39:00,360 --> 00:38:58,180
something like that

867
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:00,370
I've always wondered if you know they're

868
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,730
going to find out something else you

869
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:06,640
know like perhaps I mean it just seems

870
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:11,650
like such a an evolution to you know to

871
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:13,810
bring it up to modern human standards

872
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:18,120
the way we are yes but you know okay

873
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,730
evolution is very controversial the

874
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:24,400
evolution today has become a form of

875
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:27,670
religion or an ideology there is a group

876
00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:29,410
of scientists who absolutely are

877
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:31,960
convinced of evolution there is nothing

878
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:34,450
but evolution there is another group of

879
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:37,570
scientists who really are qualified in

880
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:39,640
their field they say no it is not

881
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,210
possible simply by evolution there must

882
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,760
have been an interfering by someone from

883
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:47,950
outer space or from outside whatever and

884
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:50,080
this is what mythology and the old

885
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:51,910
tradition tells us I am really

886
00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:54,880
especially in mythology I have studied I

887
00:39:58,740 --> 00:39:56,590
don't know hundreds of book with

888
00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:58,750
mythologies of tribes all over this

889
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:00,970
planet some tribes somewhere in the

890
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:04,030
South Sea or in Africa or somewhere in

891
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:06,250
Asia are tribes we haven't which had no

892
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,480
contact together

893
00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:09,880
no one ever heared from each other but

894
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,180
all begin there their story of life with

895
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:16,000
God and God created humans according

896
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:19,750
God's image it was always someone from

897
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:22,420
outer space who came and started the

898
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,320
homo sapiens

899
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:26,640
at least in mythology

900
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:30,720
yep so what basically what are your

901
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,280
thoughts on you know some people think

902
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,160
that you know humans were seeded here

903
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:38,460
from elsewhere as an experiment you know

904
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:39,960
different races I mean there you hear

905
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:43,560
you hear of you know speculation and

906
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,300
along that line what are your thoughts

907
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:48,060
on that I'm absolutely in favor of it

908
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:50,010
have you ever heard about this so-called

909
00:40:56,330 --> 00:40:53,820
xufu hypothesis but it's do hypothec

910
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:56,340
some yeah it's an American professor I

911
00:41:02,240 --> 00:40:58,530
guess his name was beer world I'm not so

912
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:02,250
sure and he suggested just imagine this

913
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:04,350
whole planet earth is something like

914
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,050
like a geological God and on this

915
00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:08,640
geological garden you have different

916
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:11,190
types of living forms you have some of

917
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:13,290
the watches you have the animals in

918
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,750
there and both the watches and the

919
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:18,240
animals and the visitors they have to

920
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:20,850
keep certain rules for example the

921
00:41:26,570 --> 00:41:23,550
really visitors are not allowed to feed

922
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:26,580
a crocodile with a living dog or to

923
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:29,940
still some wonderful birds and and that

924
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:32,610
the watchers have to be careful that the

925
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:35,070
Zoological Gardens functions that there

926
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:38,490
is food and rather etc so there are

927
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:41,850
certain rules now these watches they

928
00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:44,280
create that illogical garden with all

929
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:46,860
forms of life and they observed us and

930
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:49,290
they realized throughout the thousands

931
00:41:55,070 --> 00:41:52,380
of years that one of the species as Homo

932
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,080
sapiens sapiens develops society

933
00:42:02,570 --> 00:41:58,800
develops culture develops our develops

934
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:02,580
music develops science they observe that

935
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:06,090
one day we go we leave our planet in a

936
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,720
very teeny little machine what we call

937
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:11,880
today you know these space capsules and

938
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:14,700
now the watches the other their watches

939
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:18,480
ask themselves should we permit the

940
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:22,170
humans to leave their planet or not and

941
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:24,570
they say yes because it's their own work

942
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:26,310
they have done it they have worked on it

943
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,490
they should leave it but only when they

944
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:32,220
are right for it and when should we be

945
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:35,520
right to leave our solar system soon as

946
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:38,820
we have learned that we are not alone on

947
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:40,170
this universe

948
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:43,950
soon as we have become modest sober you

949
00:42:49,579 --> 00:42:47,400
know until today we have two kinds two

950
00:42:52,099 --> 00:42:49,589
possibilities to look at our form of

951
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,109
life we have the religious way and you

952
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,599
have the scientific way in the religious

953
00:43:00,079 --> 00:42:56,880
way we learn that God created us

954
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:00,089
according the image but we are the crown

955
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,299
of creation in a scientific way we learn

956
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:06,240
it's all evolution but we are at top of

957
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:09,450
evolution now in both cases if you look

958
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:12,329
at it religiously or scientifically we

959
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:14,089
look at ourselves as the greatest

960
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:17,579
something like us does not exist in the

961
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:20,220
universe did religion plan of creation

962
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:23,970
beat science top of evolution in reality

963
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,460
we have a psychological problem we don't

964
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:29,520
want extraterrestrials soon as we accept

965
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:32,369
them we are not the greatest anymore

966
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:35,790
that's why we have to learn we are not

967
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,890
alone in this universe soon as we

968
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,680
understand this we can leave our solar

969
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,680
system because they're outside we will

970
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,660
see other spaceships and then we will

971
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:48,420
realize hey weather shock so we have to

972
00:43:55,339 --> 00:43:50,730
avoid this shop we have to prepare

973
00:43:58,059 --> 00:43:55,349
mankind slowly come on you are not alone

974
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,069
there are other forms of life out there

975
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:02,400
well along those lines Eric what do you

976
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,980
think about I'm sure you have heard a

977
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:06,359
lot about this and are probably

978
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,569
following it on December 16th there was

979
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:11,910
a New York Times article that basically

980
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:15,510
told the story of the Pentagon's secret

981
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:19,950
UFO research have you been ya know in

982
00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:22,230
Dutch because in German newspapers not

983
00:44:25,819 --> 00:44:24,500
much about it but they hear about it yes

984
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,829
uh-huh

985
00:44:31,089 --> 00:44:28,740
now on your your book I cited this prior

986
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:31,099
to you coming on when I was doing the

987
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,660
news with Alejandro Rojas who's with me

988
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,180
before you before we called you and on

989
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,359
page page 53 of your book you talk about

990
00:44:45,799 --> 00:44:41,839
the US Department of Transportation the

991
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,809
memo that was published in 1912 and that

992
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:48,720
has to do with Bigelow airspace and that

993
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,109
is there is a connection there to the

994
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,940
you know I didn't I know

995
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:55,380
didn't realize that at the time but

996
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:56,810
there was a connection there to that

997
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,490
Pentagon search in that in that

998
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:02,220
statement in your book well fascinating

999
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:05,579
to hear to learn for Methodist yeah yeah

1000
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:09,420
so I think that's actually it's still in

1001
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:12,060
the news of course news of there's so

1002
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,390
much news going off on all the time that

1003
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,880
you know things fade really quick here

1004
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:20,160
but there's still there's still there's

1005
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,890
more interest now in the UFO field than

1006
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:25,440
there has been prior to that article for

1007
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,790
sure well you know us hoes throughout

1008
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:32,160
the last decades have always been

1009
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:34,770
ridiculed and also it might in my new

1010
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:38,250
book the governor the gods never left

1011
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,720
that I quote a CIA story which has they

1012
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:46,079
have given up in 1953 to ridicule all

1013
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:49,800
the UFO things to to to make it illegal

1014
00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:53,220
and and we you know a normal personality

1015
00:46:00,440 --> 00:45:56,670
a scientist or a journalist do not take

1016
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:00,450
UFOs for serious he thinks this is all

1017
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:03,150
in one sense so and we want to be

1018
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,150
serious that's why we don't touch UFOs

1019
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,220
in the past everybody wants to be

1020
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,920
reasonable but UFO have been made

1021
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:12,240
unreasonable

1022
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,030
that's why reasonable people don't talk

1023
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:17,520
and don't write about UFOs but as you

1024
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:20,310
just mentioned the situation slowly

1025
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:23,640
slowly changes because too much of

1026
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:27,180
indications point to to observations

1027
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:29,250
from outer space in our present time and

1028
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:32,430
I know for sure we were observed that we

1029
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:34,200
are created in the in the in the past

1030
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,329
some thousands of years ago I have too

1031
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:38,220
much information from this finally I'm

1032
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:42,030
the author of 40 books on the subject I

1033
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:43,260
didn't realize there was 40 that's

1034
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,930
amazing so in your book you also

1035
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:48,480
mentioned you know who would have to

1036
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,790
come to grips as far as you know the

1037
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:52,700
different religions I think you you

1038
00:46:56,059 --> 00:46:54,930
cited over like a hundred and twenty

1039
00:47:00,020 --> 00:46:56,069
different religions that would have a

1040
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:00,030
problem with us do you really think it

1041
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,130
seems to me the the case with at least

1042
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:05,520
the Roman Catholic Church that a pope

1043
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:07,390
Pope is more accepting

1044
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:09,730
of extraterrestrials than perhaps other

1045
00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:15,250
religion religion courses but still the

1046
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:18,849
top or a big high politician who are

1047
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,410
wonderful personalities you know

1048
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:22,839
integral myosin intelligent personality

1049
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:26,559
even a Pope could not go on public and

1050
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:30,010
say well I have to confess yesterday

1051
00:47:34,289 --> 00:47:31,650
night I had a discussion with two

1052
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,299
extraterrestrials then his own people

1053
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:36,400
would say what's wrong with the holy

1054
00:47:43,259 --> 00:47:40,569
Pope is he done gone insane or what even

1055
00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:43,269
if you are have a high position you

1056
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:47,109
cannot say what you know until the

1057
00:47:51,779 --> 00:47:49,210
society is prepared and willing to

1058
00:47:53,819 --> 00:47:51,789
accept it that the moment the society is

1059
00:47:57,329 --> 00:47:53,829
not prepared and not really willing

1060
00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:57,339
that's why we have to work slowly to

1061
00:48:03,509 --> 00:48:00,760
change the spirit of time I think I feel

1062
00:48:05,279 --> 00:48:03,519
as though I feel as though we're heading

1063
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:05,289
in that direction but you know it's

1064
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:07,480
funny I say that but also I listened to

1065
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:10,660
a interview from back in 1950 where

1066
00:48:23,999 --> 00:48:19,680
yeah so it is a very slow process and

1067
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:24,009
you're right the back in 1953 when they

1068
00:48:29,279 --> 00:48:26,950
had that meeting you know about the

1069
00:48:32,430 --> 00:48:29,289
ridiculing the idea they just wanted to

1070
00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:32,440
get the topic you know done with they

1071
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:33,460
didn't want to hear about it anymore

1072
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:35,950
they they had no way to protect the

1073
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:39,250
United States skies you know so that's

1074
00:48:45,299 --> 00:48:41,710
you know were that that all came from

1075
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:45,309
they had no answer yes but in the

1076
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:47,500
meantime happen in the meantime we have

1077
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:49,660
too many indications we have very good

1078
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:52,650
radar proofs for UFOs we have too many

1079
00:48:58,499 --> 00:48:55,230
sightings which cannot be denied because

1080
00:49:00,420 --> 00:48:58,509
some toilets and some whatever high

1081
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:00,430
intelligence scientists speak about it

1082
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:03,430
so the situation has really changed we

1083
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:06,190
have clearly to differentiate among the

1084
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:08,710
UFO community there is still a lot of

1085
00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:11,500
rubbish still a lot of nonsense because

1086
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:13,809
the believers tells stories which they

1087
00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:16,180
hear at which you cannot control but

1088
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:20,670
aside of that we have too many well well

1089
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:23,790
of commentated UFO cases that we should

1090
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,280
become reasonable now and simply have

1091
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:28,140
the courage to discussion to discuss

1092
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:30,930
about it but as I said the spirit of

1093
00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:34,530
time has to be ready for that yes yes I

1094
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:36,809
agree and you know we have up we have a

1095
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:38,579
lot of social issues to get through

1096
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:40,470
before we actually travel the stars too

1097
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:43,410
as well other issues I I believe anyway

1098
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:48,329
and I would like to talk next about a

1099
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,380
case that has always fascinated me long

1100
00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:55,200
before I really got into the UFO topic

1101
00:50:04,460 --> 00:49:59,790
and that's Fatima the 1917 Fatima case

1102
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,470
and would you be able to tell I know I I

1103
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,780
just had the subject on my show recently

1104
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:09,240
but for the listener that's not familiar

1105
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,770
at all with that can you just in a

1106
00:50:20,859 --> 00:50:13,920
nutshell tell us about that event or

1107
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:20,869
events I should say seventeen mainland

1108
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:24,030
is a little village in Port well and of

1109
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:25,619
course Portugal is Catholic and the

1110
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:27,660
village was Catholic their three

1111
00:50:31,789 --> 00:50:28,859
children

1112
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:31,799
they certainly said they had a vision

1113
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:35,730
they saw the Holy Virgin Mary it was an

1114
00:50:40,819 --> 00:50:38,250
apparition and the Holy Virgin Mary gave

1115
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:40,829
them a message and this message should

1116
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:43,740
be given to the highest responsible

1117
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:46,170
personality on this planet for the

1118
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:47,910
Catholic children this was the holy Pope

1119
00:50:56,059 --> 00:50:50,520
in Rome and he should publish this

1120
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:56,069
message in in the Year 1960 so one of

1121
00:51:01,220 --> 00:50:58,890
the the children her name was Lucia she

1122
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:01,230
become later a nun she went work in a

1123
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,569
convent and while she was a nun she was

1124
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:05,940
interviewed three times the journalist

1125
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:09,270
asked her dear lady what is in this

1126
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:12,210
message what is the secret in there that

1127
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,230
the nun said very respectful I am NOT

1128
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:18,780
allowed to say anything that the holy

1129
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:21,990
Pope will make it public in the summer

1130
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:26,400
of 1960 so the date of 1960 was known to

1131
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:30,420
the journalist it was on may 17 the Pope

1132
00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:33,720
at that time invited I don't know 50 or

1133
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:34,560
70

1134
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,560
high priests and cárdenas and whatever

1135
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,900
the journalists were waiting outside the

1136
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:42,480
door of the room and after two hours

1137
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,280
there are opens and the journalists

1138
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:46,800
asked the priests and the callee not

1139
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:49,380
what's in the message what's in a secret

1140
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:52,650
and no one gave me an answer no one they

1141
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:55,410
all keep quiet just the Pope at that

1142
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:58,590
time said I am not in a position to

1143
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:01,170
publish the secret it would create the

1144
00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:04,650
panic now I myself I am educated as a

1145
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:07,620
Catholic and for us Catholics mother

1146
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:10,590
Mary is the mother of Jesus she's the

1147
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:13,770
highest female creeping entente a

1148
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:17,310
repentant e in in heaven in sky she

1149
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:20,070
gives an order that this message should

1150
00:52:27,350 --> 00:52:24,110
be published in 1960 but the Pope says I

1151
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:27,360
cannot do it it would create a panic

1152
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:30,600
what kind of panic the Holy Virgin Mary

1153
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:33,930
would know what she does so after the

1154
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:35,630
Pope said it would create a panic

1155
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:38,280
journalists came again with speculations

1156
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,530
they said well maybe the secret has to

1157
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:42,720
do with the with the third world war

1158
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:46,260
maybe there is a tremendous atomic war

1159
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:48,810
between the East and the world that the

1160
00:52:55,550 --> 00:52:51,870
West you know in 1960 were still still

1161
00:52:59,900 --> 00:52:55,560
cold war so the journalist asked the

1162
00:53:03,410 --> 00:52:59,910
Pope in 1980 20 years later where the

1163
00:53:05,570 --> 00:53:03,420
Pope visited Germany they asked him has

1164
00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:05,580
to secret something to do with the third

1165
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:08,790
world war and the Pope said no it has

1166
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:12,090
nothing to do with atomic bombs nothing

1167
00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:15,750
with rocket it contains our fate he said

1168
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:18,600
he it has to do with our faith now but

1169
00:53:24,350 --> 00:53:21,630
the Holy Virgin Mary the highest female

1170
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:24,360
of the Roman Catholic Church had given

1171
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:27,390
the order why can they not publish it I

1172
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:31,440
am afraid that they learned that the

1173
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,870
message was not coming from the Holy

1174
00:53:38,570 --> 00:53:36,000
Virgin Mary but from a group of

1175
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,580
extraterrestrials now of course I only

1176
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:41,400
can speculate I don't know the content

1177
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:43,560
of the message I can speculate what

1178
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:46,200
could be in there for example they could

1179
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:48,150
say well we

1180
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:50,670
say great things to you earthlings learn

1181
00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:52,490
that you are not alone there are

1182
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,750
visitors from outer space we have been

1183
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:56,819
here thousands of years ago we came

1184
00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:59,700
spontaneously from time to time don't be

1185
00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:00,390
afraid

1186
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:05,270
we will help us etcetera but between

1187
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:11,460
1917 and 1960 is a time span of 43 years

1188
00:54:17,779 --> 00:54:14,579
between that time the little village of

1189
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:17,789
Fatima has come to a gigantic pilgrim

1190
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,520
place for the Catholic Church there is a

1191
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:22,980
wonderful Cathedral I was there three

1192
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:26,220
times it's very very impressive hundred

1193
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,170
thousands of people are kneeling there

1194
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:30,000
and they're praying to the Holy Virgin

1195
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:30,690
Mary

1196
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:35,190
now 1960 the Pope preached the message

1197
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:39,569
which dates back to 1970 he realizes it

1198
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:43,170
was not the Holy Virgin Mary but in the

1199
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:45,930
meantime Fatima is a pilgrim place he

1200
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,150
can really not publish it because

1201
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:50,640
otherwise he would discredit discredit

1202
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:53,490
his own holy pilgrim place so I

1203
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:56,010
understand the situation but it's all

1204
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:58,980
crazy in the meantime the message should

1205
00:55:03,019 --> 00:55:01,079
be published he should have the courage

1206
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:03,029
to say well we'd have been happy to do

1207
00:55:08,660 --> 00:55:06,599
with it with accelerometers that's

1208
00:55:11,539 --> 00:55:08,670
interesting do you think that might have

1209
00:55:14,059 --> 00:55:11,549
something to do with you know this the

1210
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,069
Catholic stance on extraterrestrials has

1211
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:16,500
softened you know saying that they

1212
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:18,089
should be baptized there could be

1213
00:55:24,289 --> 00:55:20,970
baptized and and there were a few other

1214
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,299
things and along those same lines

1215
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:27,119
there's also I believe there's an

1216
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:29,930
observatory Catholic Observatory

1217
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,190
yes yesterday very powerful they are

1218
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:38,400
very very with the Catholic high priests

1219
00:55:43,339 --> 00:55:41,130
you know they are all Jesuits they are

1220
00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:43,349
very very intelligent many of them have

1221
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:45,750
doctor or double doctor degrees they are

1222
00:55:49,819 --> 00:55:47,910
brilliant astronomers and I am sure they

1223
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:49,829
they know a little more than what they

1224
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,250
tell to the public but you cannot tell

1225
00:55:59,299 --> 00:55:55,440
everything to the public an author like

1226
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,309
me I can because I have no I'm not a

1227
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:01,800
politician I'm not an official science

1228
00:56:07,310 --> 00:56:04,560
I do not represent any university so a

1229
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:07,320
man like me I can say these things

1230
00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:09,720
because the critics will still say ok

1231
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:12,270
that's his opinion that's an opposition

1232
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,260
it's another point of view but I feel

1233
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:19,440
I'm on the right track not on everything

1234
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:21,960
I still may have mistakes or

1235
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:23,850
speculations which turn out to be wrong

1236
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:27,840
but in that case Fatima it makes no

1237
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:30,390
sense that the holy Pope in Rome does

1238
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,030
not publish that the secret because the

1239
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:35,940
Holy Virgin Mary ordered him you should

1240
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:39,630
publish it in 1960 but he didn't event

1241
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:42,890
here today no Pope published a secret I

1242
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:46,890
wonder if it if if that does exist if it

1243
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:49,910
will ever be you know that's who knows

1244
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:53,670
yeah one day yes you know there is

1245
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,560
another speculation which I have in my

1246
00:56:59,660 --> 00:56:57,660
head but my English is not good enough

1247
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,670
to explain explain all this

1248
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,880
we know that the magnetic north at the

1249
00:57:08,330 --> 00:57:05,640
magnetic north pole of our planet is

1250
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,340
always changing the magnetic north pole

1251
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:11,220
changes is not at the same place where

1252
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:13,140
he has been some two hundred years ago

1253
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:16,530
now there are speculation that one day

1254
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:20,160
the magnetic pole might shift so the

1255
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:23,880
earth taxis by the term I have to come

1256
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:27,240
back to Herodotus Herodotus was a Greek

1257
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,790
historian some two and a half thousand

1258
00:57:34,850 --> 00:57:32,460
years ago Herodotus was in Egypt he

1259
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:34,860
published two books about his visit in

1260
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:38,040
Egypt he then talked to the old priests

1261
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:41,700
in Egypt and he said it happened in the

1262
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:45,420
past that of a sudden the Sun Stood

1263
00:57:52,540 --> 00:57:48,900
Still and then the next day the Sun went

1264
00:57:55,780 --> 00:57:52,550
up in the West and went down in the east

1265
00:57:58,550 --> 00:57:55,790
now how can a very well-educated

1266
00:58:01,400 --> 00:57:58,560
historian like Herodotus two and a half

1267
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:01,410
thousand years ago say such a nonsense

1268
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:04,350
he would know exactly the Sun will

1269
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:07,920
always go up in the east crush the Nile

1270
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:10,890
and go that down in the West on the

1271
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:14,070
other side of the Nile now in Central

1272
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:15,830
America we have Sokol

1273
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:19,190
Mexican old Mexican writings and in one

1274
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:21,470
of these writings called Chimel poeple

1275
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:24,320
the same situation is told that of a

1276
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:26,600
sudden the Sun has come to a standstill

1277
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:29,780
and the next morning it turned out in

1278
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:32,180
the in the West instead in the in the

1279
00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:35,210
east the same thing happened with Plato

1280
00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:38,660
Plato was the Greek philosopher he

1281
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:41,660
writes this in his book criterion now I

1282
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:45,590
asked myself concerning Fatima as the

1283
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:48,170
message of these extraterrestrials may

1284
00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:51,410
be told to the children they should tell

1285
00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:54,320
to the Pope that sooner or later our

1286
00:59:01,660 --> 00:58:58,580
earth axis will change and from one

1287
00:59:04,450 --> 00:59:01,670
minute to the other millions of people

1288
00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:04,460
would be killed and destroyed because

1289
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,100
the water is all floating what is

1290
00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:10,970
today's land and the Pope rigid he first

1291
00:59:15,609 --> 00:59:14,030
understands it's not the Halyburton Mary

1292
00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:15,619
it was the extraterrestrials who gave

1293
00:59:21,310 --> 00:59:18,520
this message and secondly he reached a

1294
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:21,320
catastrophe will come ground our mankind

1295
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:23,270
he doesn't know a date the

1296
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:24,680
extraterrestrials don't know a date

1297
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:27,950
exactly they know it will happen and now

1298
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:30,380
really he can not go to public with him

1299
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:32,900
it would create panic as what he said

1300
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:35,240
but in the old historians Herodotus

1301
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:38,810
Plateau Mexico they say exactly this

1302
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:42,290
that the four sudden the Sun went up in

1303
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:45,740
the West instead of the East Wow yeah

1304
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,960
and I know the there has been some at

1305
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:49,400
least I don't know about actually

1306
00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:51,830
turning on access but there's been I

1307
00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:54,080
know the pole has shifted you know in

1308
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:56,119
the past historically you know a long a

1309
01:00:00,849 --> 00:59:59,330
long long time ago I believe and I may

1310
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:00,859
be wrong on that someone will definitely

1311
01:00:08,349 --> 01:00:05,030
correct me if I'm wrong so getting back

1312
01:00:12,099 --> 01:00:08,359
to Fatima the the incident itself back

1313
01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:12,109
in 1917 how long was it after that that

1314
01:00:17,260 --> 01:00:14,060
all the thousands and thousands of

1315
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:17,270
people made a pilgrimage there to see to

1316
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:19,130
see and they actually witnessed

1317
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:23,050
witnessed it but of course you know in

1318
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:29,450
in 1970 they was in Fatima

1319
01:00:36,579 --> 01:00:33,040
so-called miracle of the Sun there were

1320
01:00:39,099 --> 01:00:36,589
80,000 people out in the field at that

1321
01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:39,109
time there were no color photography's

1322
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:40,550
they were only black-and-white

1323
01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:42,920
photography I saw some of these

1324
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:46,760
photography from newspapers from 1917 it

1325
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:52,270
was in October 17th 1990 in 17 that

1326
01:00:59,260 --> 01:00:56,150
80,000 people so of a sudden a gigantic

1327
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,270
light on the sky and he was not the Sun

1328
01:01:06,099 --> 01:01:02,240
the light changed into different colors

1329
01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:06,109
and 80,000 people were all floated in

1330
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:11,030
different colors red blue yellow etc now

1331
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:13,310
in the Catholic Church this is mentioned

1332
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:17,660
as the wonder of the Sun in Fatima of

1333
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:21,290
1970 I think it was not a wonder of the

1334
01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:23,690
Sun it was the extraterrestrials who

1335
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:27,710
simply showed up to 80,000 people give

1336
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:31,520
them a sign don't be afraid of us we

1337
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:35,210
will return prepare mankind you are not

1338
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:37,150
alone in this universe

1339
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:40,190
yeah and where did these people come

1340
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:41,660
from did they come from all over the

1341
01:01:47,290 --> 01:01:44,540
world there yep

1342
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:47,300
mostly from Europe of course in 1917

1343
01:01:53,530 --> 01:01:49,310
some of them might have come from the

1344
01:01:59,620 --> 01:01:53,540
eigenstates at Emmaus mostly Europe you

1345
01:02:02,620 --> 01:01:59,630
say out of the field as I said people

1346
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:02,630
there are black and white pictures in

1347
01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:05,810
the newspaper from published 18th 19th

1348
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:09,260
1970 at that time you see the 80,000

1349
01:02:14,650 --> 01:02:11,930
people that day it was raining you see

1350
01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:14,660
many of them have umbrellas on but of a

1351
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:17,300
sudden their umbrellas are away and they

1352
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,510
all watch the sky you see their faces

1353
01:02:25,569 --> 01:02:22,400
enlightened in the black and white

1354
01:02:26,829 --> 01:02:25,579
colors it looks fantastic so they really

1355
01:02:30,430 --> 01:02:26,839
saw something

1356
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:30,440
Extra Ordinary yeah we're putting we're

1357
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:31,730
putting up some of those images on

1358
01:02:39,069 --> 01:02:35,660
YouTube now or the producer is and yeah

1359
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:39,079
that that that whole thing I can't even

1360
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,480
imagine how they house those people how

1361
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:43,280
they fed those people I mean

1362
01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:45,830
further back then I'm just showing up I

1363
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:47,750
mean we have no communication like we do

1364
01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:50,090
today well they wouldn't feel that I

1365
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:52,340
would feel happy by sleeping outside

1366
01:03:00,310 --> 01:02:56,510
camping whatever and there's also there

1367
01:03:02,770 --> 01:03:00,320
is there has been controversy about this

1368
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:02,780
all the way back for many years as far

1369
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:04,970
as I know that it may have had nothing

1370
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:08,030
to do with the you know religious aspect

1371
01:03:14,410 --> 01:03:11,510
as you say so that is a that is a part

1372
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,420
to look into that's exactly what what I

1373
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:16,400
see it has nothing to do with the

1374
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:17,830
religious aspect it was

1375
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:20,420
extraterrestrials who showed up at the

1376
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:23,420
top had no change he could not go to

1377
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:26,750
public with it because it he wouldn't he

1378
01:03:30,510 --> 01:03:29,330
would deny the the receipt of the holy

1379
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:30,520
virgin madman Mary

1380
01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:33,950
yes that's right and yeah that would be

1381
01:03:38,590 --> 01:03:37,940
that'd be a real barrier to go through

1382
01:03:41,110 --> 01:03:38,600
right there

1383
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:41,120
alone because of right now even right

1384
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:43,550
now people are there as we speak I'm

1385
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:46,750
sure you know worshiping period you know

1386
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:50,450
so another question came in from Jordan

1387
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:54,500
and the popular history show ancient

1388
01:03:58,300 --> 01:03:56,210
aliens borrows heavily from the themes

1389
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:58,310
and concept of your work Chariots of the

1390
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:01,220
Gods and so he wanted to know your

1391
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:04,640
comments on that show or watch on the

1392
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:07,490
movie channel uh ancient aliens the

1393
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:09,190
ancient aliens I know you're a friend of

1394
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,470
Georgio's as well yes I mean short row

1395
01:04:16,750 --> 01:04:14,240
to kalos II grew up in Switzerland I

1396
01:04:18,550 --> 01:04:16,760
knew him when he was a boy he's a

1397
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:18,560
wonderful personality and he has the

1398
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:21,170
possibility to speak to go to public I'm

1399
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:23,630
very happy that I have a translator like

1400
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:26,180
Chacho in United States he's brilliant

1401
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:29,210
now concerning ancient aliens of course

1402
01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:31,670
I am happy that they have done this

1403
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:34,280
serie because it brings all this in

1404
01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:37,310
discussion again I am thankful for them

1405
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:40,760
all through I do not accept everything

1406
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:44,030
which they say in there you know it's

1407
01:04:48,580 --> 01:04:46,340
it's a work of journalists brilliant

1408
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:48,590
journals and sometimes they come up with

1409
01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:51,230
especially in the American version it

1410
01:04:56,740 --> 01:04:53,480
has to do something with the Nazis with

1411
01:04:59,800 --> 01:04:56,750
this third Second World War and

1412
01:05:02,440 --> 01:04:59,810
all these things as a Swiss leaving

1413
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:02,450
chest to the broader of Germany I do not

1414
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:05,090
underline these at that point of view

1415
01:05:11,110 --> 01:05:08,420
but generally ancient alien is a

1416
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:11,120
brilliant show and I'm grateful and

1417
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:14,690
thankful that it is on air it's amazing

1418
01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:16,670
how many viewers that show has and how

1419
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:18,800
popular I think they started out they

1420
01:05:24,580 --> 01:05:20,690
were going only going to have like a

1421
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:24,590
very short season and and just I think

1422
01:05:28,180 --> 01:05:26,750
they were just going to do a series of I

1423
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:28,190
think something like ten and that was

1424
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:30,530
gonna be it and boy it caught on like

1425
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:32,990
wildfire and has been going strong ever

1426
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,500
since yes they had a very very high

1427
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:38,720
audience you know in the United States

1428
01:05:42,610 --> 01:05:40,130
when you have a high audience that means

1429
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:42,620
more money because there's more and more

1430
01:05:47,530 --> 01:05:45,110
advertising so they continued and

1431
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:47,540
continued in the meantime they have

1432
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:50,990
product produced 150 episodes

1433
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:53,750
just imagine first I wanted to start

1434
01:05:59,260 --> 01:05:55,250
with three maybe ten

1435
01:06:02,170 --> 01:05:59,270
in the meantime 150 episodes I'm very

1436
01:06:04,570 --> 01:06:02,180
happy about all this also I do not check

1437
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:04,580
everything which is in there why don't

1438
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,370
you why don't you elaborate on some of

1439
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:08,960
the things that you don't think is

1440
01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:11,030
credible you just mentioned the Nazi

1441
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:13,430
connection is there other things as well

1442
01:06:19,810 --> 01:06:16,720
you can comment on yeah you need

1443
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:19,820
sometimes to bring story for example as

1444
01:06:25,780 --> 01:06:23,630
Leonardo da Vinci been a time traveler

1445
01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:25,790
or has he maybe had contact with

1446
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:30,380
extraterrestrials I think this is not

1447
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:32,930
what I feel but of course everyone has

1448
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:35,290
the freedom to think in these directions

1449
01:06:40,660 --> 01:06:38,570
or some of the humans in our time some

1450
01:06:43,330 --> 01:06:40,670
of the brilliant scientists they asked

1451
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:43,340
even where heaven Browne you know won't

1452
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:45,890
happen Brown he was in the Second World

1453
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:48,890
War he has he was the rocket pioneer in

1454
01:06:54,130 --> 01:06:51,740
Germany with the Nazis Reiter he came to

1455
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,140
the United States for the hey Brooklyn

1456
01:06:57,820 --> 01:06:56,000
yeah yeah heard me

1457
01:06:59,980 --> 01:06:57,830
yeah in the United States he was finally

1458
01:07:03,130 --> 01:06:59,990
the one who made the shot to the moon

1459
01:07:05,770 --> 01:07:03,140
with Saturn five possible a brilliant

1460
01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:05,780
Drock and Rocket Man now in industry

1461
01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:08,600
they also asked if he maybe had contact

1462
01:07:13,060 --> 01:07:10,340
with extraterrestrials if

1463
01:07:15,220 --> 01:07:13,070
of his knowledge to construct Saturn 5

1464
01:07:18,010 --> 01:07:15,230
has to do with extraterrestrials

1465
01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:18,020
I personally think this is too far I

1466
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:21,080
knew when Ephram Brown personally not

1467
01:07:26,770 --> 01:07:24,290
very well I met him only twice he was a

1468
01:07:31,060 --> 01:07:26,780
brilliant scientist but he had nothing

1469
01:07:31,660 --> 01:07:31,070
to do with extraterrestrials yep I'm

1470
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:31,670
sure

1471
01:07:35,860 --> 01:07:33,410
yep so there's yeah there's a little

1472
01:07:38,530 --> 01:07:35,870
stretch here and there but some of the

1473
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:38,540
things I have watched that I thought you

1474
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:41,810
know I think there's maybe a little too

1475
01:07:46,570 --> 01:07:44,900
much assuming in that show but other

1476
01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:46,580
than that they bring up some really good

1477
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:49,790
points of possibilities that's true and

1478
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:52,370
finally we have to accept they ask a lot

1479
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:55,310
of questions they ask always could it be

1480
01:08:00,910 --> 01:07:59,000
what if so they are asking questions

1481
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:00,920
they are putting the question which is

1482
01:08:07,090 --> 01:08:05,330
okay with me right right now another

1483
01:08:09,610 --> 01:08:07,100
question that came in here your work has

1484
01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:09,620
been criticized as being dismissive

1485
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:11,480
toward engineering capabilities of

1486
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:13,850
ancient civilizations specified by those

1487
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:15,970
who believe Egyptian tradesmen and women

1488
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:18,050
construction constructed the Great

1489
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:20,630
Pyramid can you discuss what makes you

1490
01:08:25,690 --> 01:08:22,460
think that the builders could be

1491
01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:25,700
assisted by extraterrestrial yes but you

1492
01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:26,720
know that there's a lot of

1493
01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:29,480
misunderstanding in none of my books I

1494
01:08:33,730 --> 01:08:31,400
suggest that extraterrestrials created

1495
01:08:36,130 --> 01:08:33,740
the pyramid what an extraterrestrials

1496
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:36,140
created stone age or the gigantic temple

1497
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:39,290
it was always the humans who made these

1498
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:41,990
gigantic constructions my question was

1499
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:45,890
why have the humans done this working

1500
01:08:51,579 --> 01:08:48,620
for I don't know 20 50 years took to

1501
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,589
make a gigantic construction why what is

1502
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,600
the purpose of it now the scientific

1503
01:08:58,420 --> 01:08:56,000
answer was always worried they did it

1504
01:09:01,240 --> 01:08:58,430
because of evolution they wanted to

1505
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:01,250
worship some gods for example gods in

1506
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:04,880
natural God in the storm gods who came

1507
01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:07,850
out with smoke and fire you can explain

1508
01:09:13,270 --> 01:09:10,280
this with the storm and so on so they

1509
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:13,280
explain it in natural way I have nothing

1510
01:09:19,329 --> 01:09:15,560
against a natural explanation the

1511
01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:19,339
question is just in antiquity some of

1512
01:09:23,940 --> 01:09:21,830
our humans they have met in person

1513
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:23,950
these extraterrestrials

1514
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:25,900
they were discussions between the humans

1515
01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:27,610
and the extraterrestrials some of the

1516
01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:30,340
humans asked them where do you come from

1517
01:09:37,140 --> 01:09:34,120
they always point to the sky and they

1518
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:37,150
even gave some names which solar system

1519
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:39,100
they came from but the names mean

1520
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:43,510
nothing to us or in ancient India we

1521
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:46,450
have so-called flying machines many of

1522
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:48,310
them different types of flying machines

1523
01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:50,440
they are called Vimanas

1524
01:09:55,290 --> 01:09:52,840
now this ramana's never in the old

1525
01:09:57,810 --> 01:09:55,300
indian literature were constructed on

1526
01:10:00,420 --> 01:09:57,820
our planet earth there is nothing now

1527
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:00,430
industries on earth now evolution

1528
01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:02,260
technological evolution but these

1529
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:05,860
Vimanas slowly evolved in technology in

1530
01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:08,410
our planet that the humans created them

1531
01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:11,800
these Vimanas always came directly from

1532
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:13,540
the mother spaceship from the

1533
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:15,850
extraterrestrials there is no you know

1534
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,040
innovation on our planet

1535
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:21,040
in other cases some of the humans have

1536
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:24,310
been up there they described some of

1537
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:25,990
them have learned the language of them

1538
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:27,970
in the old indian literature for example

1539
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:31,360
a tuna a tuna was up there for many

1540
01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:34,570
years he he knew them he spoke the

1541
01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:37,180
language or in by brick biblical terms

1542
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:40,360
we have Enoch Enoch according to the

1543
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:42,970
Bible was the seventh patriarch before

1544
01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:45,190
the Great Flood according to the Bible

1545
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:47,560
Enoch West enforced human who left our

1546
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:50,200
solar system in the fiery chariot now in

1547
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:52,090
the Bible you read only about three

1548
01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:54,790
phrases about you know but Enoch is the

1549
01:11:01,500 --> 01:10:58,450
author of a book the book was found 170

1550
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:01,510
years ago in an old library in Ethiopia

1551
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:04,480
in a convent the Book of Enoch was

1552
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:07,030
translated from all Ethiopian into

1553
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:09,580
English and in later into Germany now

1554
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:12,820
Enoch speaks in the first person as an

1555
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,270
eyewitness he describes what happened he

1556
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:18,640
learned the language with them he was up

1557
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:19,210
there

1558
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:22,630
Enoch even gives the name of his teacher

1559
01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:25,330
one of the teacher was an astronomer and

1560
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:27,640
he said to the young boy Enoch after he

1561
01:11:32,670 --> 01:11:30,550
knew the language human look out of the

1562
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:32,680
window do you see this little light out

1563
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:36,430
there you humans call it moon but the

1564
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:37,570
moon has no

1565
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:40,030
light by itself the moon received his

1566
01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:42,250
light from the Sun and then he explains

1567
01:11:47,879 --> 01:11:45,400
to Enoch the moon phases so why is the

1568
01:11:48,959 --> 01:11:47,889
moon sometimes full howl while it is a

1569
01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:48,969
busy jet Allah

1570
01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:52,780
now this astronomical instructions and

1571
01:11:58,620 --> 01:11:56,590
this is not natural not the storm or

1572
01:12:00,839 --> 01:11:58,630
something which keep astronomical

1573
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:00,849
information so that's the difference

1574
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,369
between the natural explanation for

1575
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:05,199
these old writings and the

1576
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,449
extraterrestrials and you can really

1577
01:12:12,450 --> 01:12:09,280
differentiate we have too much

1578
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:12,460
indications which are not explainable in

1579
01:12:20,339 --> 01:12:18,550
the old way yes no a lot of a lot of the

1580
01:12:22,649 --> 01:12:20,349
points there

1581
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:22,659
I find all of this very interesting in

1582
01:12:27,899 --> 01:12:25,270
our country we have a lot of Native

1583
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:27,909
American culture that claims you know

1584
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:29,560
the Skype that they were involved with

1585
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:32,290
the sky people you know through through

1586
01:12:38,669 --> 01:12:36,310
their history and all that which is also

1587
01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:38,679
quite fascinating and like you said I

1588
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:41,980
think you said earlier that you know no

1589
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,110
matter where it is on the planet people

1590
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:46,440
seem to be talking about similar things

1591
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,010
very anything

1592
01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:50,320
yeah and they had no contact together I

1593
01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:52,270
mean sometimes of years ago they had no

1594
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,270
contact and a case like you know which

1595
01:13:00,600 --> 01:12:57,520
we found in heop a library I said I had

1596
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:00,610
no contact with them with an Indian guy

1597
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:03,760
like Arjuna but they both were right the

1598
01:13:08,069 --> 01:13:05,710
same thing they were up there they have

1599
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,079
seen b---minus flying objects etc they

1600
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:10,239
were in discussion they they were teach

1601
01:13:15,149 --> 01:13:12,520
you know in the Book of Enoch the

1602
01:13:18,569 --> 01:13:15,159
extraterrestrials even explained in anak

1603
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:18,579
our solar system they say you see the

1604
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:21,460
gigantic light up there it's like all

1605
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:23,050
these little lights you see out there

1606
01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:26,260
each light is a Sun the different stars

1607
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:28,840
and around these stars there are planets

1608
01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:31,780
surrounding the teacher says to you know

1609
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:36,820
your planet surrounds the Sun in 365 day

1610
01:13:43,649 --> 01:13:40,510
point what point because we have all

1611
01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:43,659
four years we have a leak year but in

1612
01:13:47,729 --> 01:13:45,940
the Book of Enoch it was more precise

1613
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:47,739
they don't speak about leak years they

1614
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:50,050
speak about leak hours this is

1615
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:51,370
astronomical

1616
01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:54,850
Meishan in Stone Age time don't forget

1617
01:13:59,670 --> 01:13:56,620
before the Great Flood

1618
01:14:02,160 --> 01:13:59,680
we had no science at that time they knew

1619
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:02,170
nothing about how the moon has his light

1620
01:14:07,650 --> 01:14:04,300
from the Sun and how the planets are

1621
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,660
surrounding our our Sun etc so this

1622
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:11,170
informations you cannot put away Wow

1623
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:12,970
really interesting and I think in your

1624
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:15,090
book you reference the Dead Sea Scrolls

1625
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,110
a little bit at one or in relation to

1626
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:23,440
this am I getting that correct yes I

1627
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:25,480
mean that sea scrolls are absolutely

1628
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:27,730
fantastic you know in some of these Dead

1629
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:29,140
Sea Scrolls we can't we find

1630
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:32,140
confirmations for example one of these

1631
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:34,750
Dead Sea Scrolls is called the Abraham

1632
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:37,150
scroll there you learn that our

1633
01:14:42,510 --> 01:14:39,640
forefather Abraham went evening he was

1634
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:42,520
sitting outside his tent then he hears a

1635
01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:45,700
noise about his head and he sees a light

1636
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:48,340
coming down from the sky he is afraid

1637
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:51,490
and stays up then he clearly says two

1638
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:54,910
beings came out of an object and he says

1639
01:15:01,170 --> 01:14:57,790
they were not humans they did not

1640
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,180
breathe like humans these two billing at

1641
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:03,040
beings they speak already the language

1642
01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:06,250
of Abraham which is easy to explain by

1643
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:08,260
the way these two being said to Abraham

1644
01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:12,010
if he wishes they would take him up and

1645
01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:14,920
show him the planet from a bow so

1646
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:17,380
Abraham has courage enough he says yes I

1647
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:20,650
can with them he describes they flew up

1648
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:23,530
of course he has no technical word he

1649
01:15:28,260 --> 01:15:25,690
believes that he's going up to heaven he

1650
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:28,270
comes to a place where doors opened

1651
01:15:34,260 --> 01:15:30,850
automatically he comes to into strange

1652
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:34,270
gardens which strange a flowers and

1653
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:36,910
vegetables and things then he comes to a

1654
01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:39,460
big room and in the center of the room

1655
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,980
there was a chrome and on the chrome was

1656
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,320
the highest shipping and when a dog

1657
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:46,960
comes in there the highest stands up

1658
01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:49,330
from his drone works a few steps

1659
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:51,550
throughout you know and shakes his hand

1660
01:15:59,220 --> 01:15:56,170
and called him welcome here now in

1661
01:16:02,220 --> 01:15:59,230
theology ology we believed us Enoch was

1662
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:02,230
simply taken into heaven he was in

1663
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:05,289
heaven he was near to Almighty God

1664
01:16:10,259 --> 01:16:07,630
it was the throne of the Almighty God

1665
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:10,269
now again I'm a deep believer in God but

1666
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:12,730
my God would never have stood up from

1667
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:15,369
his throne worked a few step throughout

1668
01:16:21,899 --> 01:16:18,070
her mock shake his hand and asked

1669
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:21,909
Sheamus welcome we miss understood his

1670
01:16:27,089 --> 01:16:24,880
takes its time we look at them from a

1671
01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:27,099
modern angle and that's what I try to do

1672
01:16:32,430 --> 01:16:29,800
so in the Dead Sea Scrolls we have many

1673
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:32,440
of these incredible things then again by

1674
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:34,690
the way we learn that we are the product

1675
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:37,510
of a mutation one of the scrolls is

1676
01:16:43,919 --> 01:16:41,010
called the Lamech scroll who Islamic

1677
01:16:46,049 --> 01:16:43,929
according to the scroll Lamech was the

1678
01:16:49,109 --> 01:16:46,059
owner he was a rich man obviously the

1679
01:16:51,629 --> 01:16:49,119
order of hundreds of shapes and go cooks

1680
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,639
and animals etc and he was away

1681
01:16:56,490 --> 01:16:54,159
sometimes for some months to feed their

1682
01:16:59,279 --> 01:16:56,500
animals where they find some green grass

1683
01:17:02,580 --> 01:16:59,289
after some months he returns to his home

1684
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:02,590
tent and he found that his wife his wife

1685
01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:05,289
has had the name bathenosh just gave

1686
01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:08,260
birth to a child it was a wonderful boy

1687
01:17:14,609 --> 01:17:11,590
but Lamech said to his wife this can't

1688
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:14,619
be my boy my child I was away too many

1689
01:17:18,689 --> 01:17:17,050
months and ultra-rich tried looks

1690
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:18,699
completely different than the other

1691
01:17:24,689 --> 01:17:21,489
children I have already but his woman

1692
01:17:27,629 --> 01:17:24,699
bathenosh swears and says oh dear father

1693
01:17:30,089 --> 01:17:27,639
Lamech nobody touched me sexually she

1694
01:17:32,729 --> 01:17:30,099
even says not another guardian' not

1695
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:32,739
another shepherd not the soldier nobody

1696
01:17:38,879 --> 01:17:36,010
touched me but here is the child Salaam

1697
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:38,889
ik doesn't know what he should do he

1698
01:17:43,919 --> 01:17:41,170
goes to his own father that was the

1699
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,929
biblical Methuselah he told me to tell a

1700
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:45,280
story about the child

1701
01:17:50,839 --> 01:17:47,530
I met who's Allah even doesn't know what

1702
01:17:53,129 --> 01:17:50,849
to say so he himself goes to his father

1703
01:17:56,459 --> 01:17:53,139
which in the meantime is the grandfather

1704
01:17:59,520 --> 01:17:56,469
and this is no one else then Enoch

1705
01:18:02,189 --> 01:17:59,530
the same Enoch who was teach in the

1706
01:18:05,819 --> 01:18:02,199
mother spaceship Enoch says to his son

1707
01:18:09,149 --> 01:18:05,829
Methuselah go to your son Lamech tell

1708
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:09,159
them that the guardians of the sky will

1709
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:13,360
create a terrible flood all flesh on

1710
01:18:18,740 --> 01:18:16,750
this planet will be dead but we will

1711
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:18,750
have a new generation

1712
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:21,420
make suit up should accept this child as

1713
01:18:27,170 --> 01:18:23,970
his all one should kill him the ney

1714
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:27,180
named Noah because Noah would be the

1715
01:18:33,170 --> 01:18:30,240
survivor at the janitor of the new human

1716
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:33,180
race so in that case by the way they say

1717
01:18:39,890 --> 01:18:36,210
nobody touched button or button or

1718
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:39,900
sexually they made the sexual contact

1719
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:42,120
without touching her sexually

1720
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:44,310
so in that case and this is one of the

1721
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:46,650
dead cheese cold stars the beers ago we

1722
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:49,710
learned that Noah was the product of an

1723
01:18:55,730 --> 01:18:52,710
artificial mutation and we all are the

1724
01:18:58,490 --> 01:18:55,740
descendants of Noah so we all have not

1725
01:19:01,780 --> 01:18:58,500
only human genes in us we have some

1726
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:01,790
extraterrestrial genes in us too well

1727
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:05,880
that that is interesting now how how do

1728
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:08,580
you think you must hear of these people

1729
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:11,340
thinking or speculating that there is

1730
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:14,490
hybrid there's actually you know genetic

1731
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:16,770
things going on currently

1732
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:19,020
you know today what are your thoughts on

1733
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:22,500
that is it I am sure that our genetics

1734
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:25,230
they are so brilliant they could easily

1735
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:28,650
prove this our genetics they have the

1736
01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:30,570
possibility with their technology to

1737
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:33,990
find out if in our genome is something

1738
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,770
which does not fit with to evolution but

1739
01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:39,600
even if some genetics know this and he

1740
01:19:43,670 --> 01:19:42,270
has found it by the way I told you I am

1741
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,680
in touch with one or two of these

1742
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,320
brilliant men and they say yes we could

1743
01:19:51,670 --> 01:19:48,420
prove this even if they knew it they

1744
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:51,680
would not go to public because their own

1745
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:55,020
scientific group would say it's too

1746
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:57,960
early to confront the large public with

1747
01:20:00,860 --> 01:20:00,420
these stories we are not prepared for

1748
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:00,870
this

1749
01:20:09,980 --> 01:20:04,770
it's like UFOs the society has to change

1750
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:09,990
before yes yes I I do I do agree with

1751
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:13,080
that now what about one of the things

1752
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:14,760
that always fascinated me in this story

1753
01:20:19,940 --> 01:20:16,440
basically you were just speaking about

1754
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:19,950
also is the Nazca lines I mean they just

1755
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:23,640
they make no sense except to be seen you

1756
01:20:30,380 --> 01:20:27,360
know from the air you see not Scott is a

1757
01:20:31,530 --> 01:20:30,390
story on which I really nerve me every

1758
01:20:33,770 --> 01:20:31,540
time

1759
01:20:36,090 --> 01:20:33,780
practically every year on some TVs

1760
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:36,100
television station you see a so-called

1761
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:39,130
documentary and then you see that it is

1762
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:41,950
very very easy to create these figures

1763
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,830
of Nazca you simply have to scratch away

1764
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:47,920
the surface of the desert because the

1765
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:50,530
desert surface is brown soon is this

1766
01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:52,870
crash away with your shoes a bright

1767
01:20:59,190 --> 01:20:56,590
shining surface comes up so you just

1768
01:21:01,560 --> 01:20:59,200
have to scratch away the brown stones

1769
01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:01,570
and the sand away and then it's easy to

1770
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:04,030
create these figures like the fishes the

1771
01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:06,730
monkeys the spigen spiders the

1772
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:09,700
hummingbird and so on and this is true

1773
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:12,910
it is really easy to make it this way

1774
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:15,730
but the problem is they on television

1775
01:21:20,970 --> 01:21:18,100
documentary they only show these figures

1776
01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:20,980
they do not show these gigantic lines

1777
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:24,430
the gigantic climb starting abruptly

1778
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:26,980
ending about me the biggest one is three

1779
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:29,860
point eight kilometers long some of

1780
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:33,490
these lines are cut our mountains which

1781
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:36,610
definitely are cut off artificially you

1782
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:38,710
don't see these pictures on television

1783
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:41,770
they simply show you the figures the

1784
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:44,050
average people say oh there are no

1785
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:47,380
mysteries they lie with the pictures I

1786
01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:51,130
have in my ramen my last book I have

1787
01:21:56,370 --> 01:21:54,160
shown 40 pictures about Nazca which have

1788
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:56,380
never been published when you see this

1789
01:22:01,230 --> 01:21:58,930
you're simply shocked you think why are

1790
01:22:04,410 --> 01:22:01,240
they never showing us these pictures oh

1791
01:22:08,490 --> 01:22:04,420
it's the same question again the public

1792
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,500
could be shocked well what would you

1793
01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:10,480
think that the significance of those

1794
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:14,740
lines could possibly be well I mean what

1795
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:17,110
have you speculated about that yeah

1796
01:22:25,050 --> 01:22:21,510
these are signs for the flying machines

1797
01:22:26,670 --> 01:22:25,060
I mean yeah in it in Ethiopia there is

1798
01:22:29,370 --> 01:22:26,680
an old book called the cave Venegas

1799
01:22:31,650 --> 01:22:29,380
where you learn the things Salomon had

1800
01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:31,660
some flying machines it was even said

1801
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,820
that thing Salama had some maps of

1802
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:35,920
different countries worldwide over the

1803
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,560
ocean etc then I just mentioned before

1804
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:41,440
Vimanas in old Indian they were flying

1805
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:44,170
around the earth so some of these flying

1806
01:22:47,970 --> 01:22:45,040
machines

1807
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:47,980
was flying over Nazca some of the humans

1808
01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:50,530
that Indians in Nazca they saw these

1809
01:22:55,230 --> 01:22:53,020
flying beings they could have understand

1810
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:55,240
them maybe from time to time these

1811
01:23:00,180 --> 01:22:57,970
flying beings made some languages some

1812
01:23:03,090 --> 01:23:00,190
some landings give the natural but the

1813
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:03,100
natives some some whatever some gifts

1814
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:05,830
and the nut heaps wished that these

1815
01:23:10,530 --> 01:23:08,290
flying machines will should come back to

1816
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:10,540
them so they're not Eve start to make

1817
01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:13,330
gigantic signs in the ground of such

1818
01:23:18,180 --> 01:23:15,700
over dimensional size that you can see

1819
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:18,190
them only from the earth so it was the

1820
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:19,930
natives who made the lines and the

1821
01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:22,810
figures not yet retractors that was my

1822
01:23:28,580 --> 01:23:26,860
speculation Wow okay I want to read a

1823
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:28,590
quote you know this kind of goes back to

1824
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:32,080
UFOs ETS etc here's a quote from your

1825
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:37,420
book that I like quite a bit and it goes

1826
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:41,170
quote who is playing with us why do we

1827
01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:44,290
have to put up with it are they a tease

1828
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,200
and are they our et's really on earth

1829
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:49,840
why could they do what they do with us

1830
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:52,450
but clearly refrain from doing so

1831
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:55,150
unquote I love that that phrase that's

1832
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:55,840
not good

1833
01:24:01,050 --> 01:23:58,090
they refrain because they don't want to

1834
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:01,060
shock us we are part of them they know

1835
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:03,820
our reaction perfectly they know how we

1836
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:06,190
react they know that this planet would

1837
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:08,980
fell into a shock I just mentioned

1838
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:11,560
before the different religions they are

1839
01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:14,080
not ready to accept such thing our

1840
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:16,540
society is not ready to accept extra

1841
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:18,850
precious again we have to change this

1842
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:21,490
period of time that's what I try to do

1843
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:23,700
with my books with my speeches in public

1844
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:27,760
uh-huh now I know also you talked about

1845
01:24:33,630 --> 01:24:31,510
Stephen Hawking and Yuri Milner on their

1846
01:24:36,690 --> 01:24:33,640
space travel project spending all that

1847
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:36,700
money and said you as well and the

1848
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:39,640
thoughts that what are they doing with

1849
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:41,890
all that when you know something is

1850
01:24:47,580 --> 01:24:44,650
coming here and I think that is that's a

1851
01:24:49,670 --> 01:24:47,590
valid point I mean there's so much

1852
01:24:52,910 --> 01:24:49,680
evidence that something is visiting us

1853
01:24:55,170 --> 01:24:52,920
why do people like Stephen Hawking and

1854
01:24:58,050 --> 01:24:55,180
someone with the resources of Yuri

1855
01:24:58,929 --> 01:24:58,060
Milner get involved in what's coming

1856
01:25:00,939 --> 01:24:58,939
here

1857
01:25:03,459 --> 01:25:00,949
Stephen Haskins is one of the most

1858
01:25:06,909 --> 01:25:03,469
brilliant astrophysicists on this planet

1859
01:25:09,580 --> 01:25:06,919
and he has a responsibility and I think

1860
01:25:12,489 --> 01:25:09,590
even if he knew definitely that

1861
01:25:15,179 --> 01:25:12,499
something like UFOs exist he would not

1862
01:25:18,459 --> 01:25:15,189
go to public he has a response

1863
01:25:20,830 --> 01:25:18,469
responsibility like like the Pope they

1864
01:25:23,529 --> 01:25:20,840
would not go to public before a society

1865
01:25:25,209 --> 01:25:23,539
is not prepare other ways they are even

1866
01:25:28,299 --> 01:25:25,219
if they are brilliant sandy they are

1867
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:28,309
ridiculed they are not taken facilities

1868
01:25:33,729 --> 01:25:30,409
anymore so it has to go step by step

1869
01:25:37,049 --> 01:25:33,739
very slowly fools like Erich von Daniken

1870
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like me we can publish these things

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scientists must be very very careful to

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publish these things and along those

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lines I know Carl Sagan you know

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criticized you I'm sure you you get a

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01:25:53,229 --> 01:25:51,109
lot of that you've had a lot of that how

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01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:53,239
have you dealt with that you just ignore

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it and no no I course I suffered in the

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beginning I suffered in the beginning

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when I was young after Chariots of the

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Gods I was very serious in the meantime

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I'm 83 years old and I really I love it

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it doesn't matter

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I love discussions I lost critics and I

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01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:13,489
love all these discussions with my

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critics because in my field I know more

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01:26:22,449 --> 01:26:19,729
than they know they know much more than

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I in their field but in my field I know

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not more so it's always a question how

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01:26:30,909 --> 01:26:28,189
do we sit together are we listening when

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to each other or are we interrupting are

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01:26:35,799 --> 01:26:33,679
we honest are we telling the truth and

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in every discussions with critics and

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01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,579
scientists I am happy

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but after two or three years the other

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01:26:44,349 --> 01:26:42,169
part says well we didn't know about that

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01:26:49,689 --> 01:26:44,359
we never hear or read about these texts

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01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:49,699
and so on by the way just that some 45

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years ago I was in the United States I

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01:26:56,830 --> 01:26:54,469
don't know was it ABC or whatever in one

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01:26:59,949 --> 01:26:56,840
of these TV discussions together with

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01:27:01,959 --> 01:26:59,959
Carl Sagan and with Alan Hynek and I was

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really among them yes

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01:27:07,299 --> 01:27:04,789
another Hynek I remember he was rather a

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01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:07,309
little in favor of UFOs at least a

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01:27:11,949 --> 01:27:09,289
little he was a supporter well carve

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01:27:12,759 --> 01:27:11,959
Sagan was against it he said no Carl

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01:27:15,459 --> 01:27:12,769
Sagan said listen

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if somebody would be here and would

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01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:17,690
really observe our planet they would

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01:27:22,660 --> 01:27:19,880
definitely would have made diplomatic

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01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:22,670
contact with us and then Alan Hynek said

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01:27:28,739 --> 01:27:25,369
to his to his friends car segment but

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01:27:31,229 --> 01:27:28,749
yeah how we do not make diplomatic

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01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:31,239
contacts with chickens

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that's true and now you bring you talk

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about ants in your book you know the

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01:27:42,549 --> 01:27:40,820
13,000 species in the world and you know

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01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,559
what are our connections do ants know

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who we are really

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I like the way you put that yeah of

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01:27:53,529 --> 01:27:50,739
course I mean we have ant hills here and

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01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:53,539
hundreds and thousands of amperes and we

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01:27:57,580 --> 01:27:55,249
know some of the ant families they are

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01:28:00,669 --> 01:27:57,590
dangerous they destroy each other

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01:28:03,549 --> 01:28:00,679
product they make war they kill each

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01:28:06,580 --> 01:28:03,559
other among and as terrible societies

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01:28:08,589 --> 01:28:06,590
now we know this we learned it but we

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01:28:10,899 --> 01:28:08,599
will never interfere what do we care

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01:28:13,930 --> 01:28:10,909
about and this is their problem

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:13,940
we couldn't infer interfer maybe our

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01:28:18,729 --> 01:28:16,489
scientists would find a possibility to

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01:28:20,859 --> 01:28:18,739
learn the language of ants but we don't

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01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:20,869
do it it's not our business

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01:28:25,209 --> 01:28:23,210
it's just ants and maybe the

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01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:25,219
extraterrestrials look at us at the same

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01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:27,860
situation we have a politic some part

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01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:30,170
which goes crazy sometimes in our

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01:28:35,950 --> 01:28:33,230
politic we are afraid that that there is

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01:28:37,569 --> 01:28:35,960
a next war coming et cetera so he could

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01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:37,579
say but the extraterrestrials they

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01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:40,249
observers why don't they stop this well

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01:28:45,609 --> 01:28:43,369
they looked at us as we look at ants the

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01:28:48,879 --> 01:28:45,619
society has to be ready and then they

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01:28:51,310 --> 01:28:48,889
make a contact that's right there was

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01:28:53,140 --> 01:28:51,320
some article I was looking for it now I

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01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:53,150
can't seem to find it right now but

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01:28:58,180 --> 01:28:55,489
there was an early article that Carl

1948
01:29:01,229 --> 01:28:58,190
Sagan wrote I think he possibly could

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01:29:04,089 --> 01:29:01,239
have still been in school at the time

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01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:04,099
that kind of goes against what his

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01:29:09,790 --> 01:29:06,530
stance was later on I mean he he seems

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01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:09,800
much more accepting of the fact that you

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01:29:14,919 --> 01:29:11,690
know aliens could be traveling in space

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01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:14,929
and you know exploring and stuff like

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01:29:21,370 --> 01:29:18,860
that but I know that you know I've heard

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01:29:24,759 --> 01:29:21,380
rumors that with conversations between

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01:29:26,410 --> 01:29:24,769
him and Hynek that he would say that he

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01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:26,420
just can't you know he believes more

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01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:26,570
than

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01:29:30,459 --> 01:29:28,010
he talks about but he can't talk about

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01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:30,469
it for his career it's exactly yes

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01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:34,310
that's exactly true and III field always

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01:29:37,149 --> 01:29:35,150
like this

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01:29:39,970 --> 01:29:37,159
but how Sagan I mean he was a brilliant

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01:29:43,330 --> 01:29:39,980
astrophysics brilliant astronomer and he

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01:29:46,450 --> 01:29:43,340
didn't like it that a lay man a known

1967
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:46,460
scientific men like Erich von Daniken

1968
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:49,369
who was earlier a waiter at the cook

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01:29:55,209 --> 01:29:51,230
that Erich von däniken comes up with

1970
01:29:57,879 --> 01:29:55,219
these things so he was a way in front of

1971
01:29:59,709 --> 01:29:57,889
me if I would have been a scientist the

1972
01:30:02,740 --> 01:29:59,719
situation would be probably different

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01:30:06,189 --> 01:30:02,750
but at that time he had difficulty to

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01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:06,199
accept that a non-scientific man comes

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01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:09,320
up with these stories right right and

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01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:11,690
the last or I think it's toward the end

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01:30:17,649 --> 01:30:15,530
of your book you talk about again I know

1978
01:30:20,020 --> 01:30:17,659
Stephen Hawking has commented on this

1979
01:30:22,930 --> 01:30:20,030
but the future of artificial

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01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:22,940
intelligence and you know one of the

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01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:25,310
questions I have for you on in regard in

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01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:27,250
regarding that do you think that

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01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:30,710
artificial intelligence if there has

1984
01:30:35,290 --> 01:30:32,810
been discovered I'm sure if there are

1985
01:30:36,819 --> 01:30:35,300
advanced civilizations out there what

1986
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:36,829
type of effects do you think that would

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01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:39,440
have would have on other civilizations

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01:30:46,300 --> 01:30:43,130
as well as ourselves well maybe we are

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01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:46,310
observed right now or some hundreds of

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01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:48,710
years since some of these with some

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01:30:53,050 --> 01:30:50,690
artificial intelligence maybe there are

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01:30:55,930 --> 01:30:53,060
space probes surrounding our solar

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01:30:58,569 --> 01:30:55,940
system or our planet with artificial

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01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,579
intelligence they would react they would

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01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:00,320
calculate they would they would they

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01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:02,690
would learn or whatever but even

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01:31:06,850 --> 01:31:04,880
artificial science in a visual

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01:31:08,530 --> 01:31:06,860
intelligence in the far future will

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01:31:11,620 --> 01:31:08,540
never be human and artificial

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01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:11,630
intelligence they may calculate in a way

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01:31:17,229 --> 01:31:15,050
so fast that we can never follow they

2002
01:31:19,419 --> 01:31:17,239
may see things so fast or learn

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01:31:21,540 --> 01:31:19,429
languages so fast that humans could

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01:31:24,729 --> 01:31:21,550
never follow but they have no feelings

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01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:24,739
you know where every human is every

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01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:28,010
human is unique every computer is not

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01:31:33,819 --> 01:31:30,650
unique every computer can copy the other

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computer but the computer has no feeling

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01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:35,860
he has not something like love or

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01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:39,610
Chelsea or r2 being proud or too

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01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:43,239
feed or original organs or sex all these

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01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:46,719
even if artificial intelligence will

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01:31:53,250 --> 01:31:49,090
come and it will come in the future

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01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:53,260
it is never human intelligence um and

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01:31:58,919 --> 01:31:57,010
what what do you think about I think it

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01:32:04,590 --> 01:31:58,929
was there's been a few people that have

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01:32:06,770 --> 01:32:04,600
stated Elon Musk and also Stephen

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01:32:08,729 --> 01:32:06,780
Hawking have both speculated that

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01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,739
artificial intelligence could actually

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01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:10,719
be the end of the human race

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01:32:17,459 --> 01:32:11,920
what do you where do your thoughts on

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01:32:18,030 --> 01:32:17,469
that no now I think III Elisa's my

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01:32:21,810 --> 01:32:18,040
feeling

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01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:21,820
III think never humans are unique and

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01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:24,100
humans will multiply and humans will

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01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:26,530
learn humans will go out in the universe

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01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:28,270
you will humans will colonize other

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01:32:33,300 --> 01:32:30,489
planets humans will make contact with

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01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:33,310
other intelligent forms of life humans

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01:32:37,979 --> 01:32:35,010
will have other feelings and so

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01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:37,989
artificial intelligence no artificial

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01:32:42,359 --> 01:32:39,760
intelligence just that's the basis

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01:32:44,729 --> 01:32:42,369
mathematics and not feelings that's the

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01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:44,739
difference yeah you know it's funny a

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01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:46,570
lot of people that have claimed to have

2036
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:51,250
had encounters with with grace say that

2037
01:32:55,740 --> 01:32:53,770
they're very robotic like you know no

2038
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:55,750
feelings and all that you know these are

2039
01:32:58,979 --> 01:32:57,610
the these two accounts that people have

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01:33:00,330 --> 01:32:58,989
talked about for a number of years it's

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01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,340
not like you know one or two

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01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:02,320
yeah but of course then we have

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01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:04,030
different different extra treasures

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01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:05,920
maybe we have a group of artificial

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01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:07,530
intelligence we have no feeling for

2046
01:33:13,919 --> 01:33:10,690
absolutely nonhumans but the ones who

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01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:13,929
have feelings they must be different at

2048
01:33:20,910 --> 01:33:16,510
least I have to run away here okay to go

2049
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:20,920
to a place sure I understand Erica it's

2050
01:33:26,129 --> 01:33:23,199
been a real pleasure I've really enjoyed

2051
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:26,139
talking once again and good luck with

2052
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,730
your book and I know you're coming to

2053
01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:29,920
the United States of this summer I

2054
01:33:34,109 --> 01:33:31,900
believe you're coming to in July or June

2055
01:33:36,689 --> 01:33:34,119
or something right yes I have different

2056
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:36,699
public appearances including at the

2057
01:33:41,459 --> 01:33:39,310
ancient alien conference and including

2058
01:33:44,129 --> 01:33:41,469
at some some universities but I don't

2059
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,139
have to date now in my head but I'm

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01:33:48,660 --> 01:33:46,480
always proud and happy to be in the

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01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:48,670
United States because the United States

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01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:51,480
are still the greatest and most

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01:33:58,960 --> 01:33:54,170
scientific nation in the world

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01:34:00,910 --> 01:33:58,970
great great and your website is is is is

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01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:00,920
posted in our show notes if anyone wants

2066
01:34:04,090 --> 01:34:02,810
to visit it's a wonderful website I

2067
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:04,100
don't know who made that for you but

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01:34:11,770 --> 01:34:06,530
it's very nice really liked that a lot

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01:34:13,330 --> 01:34:11,780
I have never seen it I believe it are

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you thanks so much

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01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:15,530
I really promote thank you it's a

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01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:17,450
pleasure to talk to you and we usually

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01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,770
will have another discussion again

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01:34:23,050 --> 01:34:20,960
somewhere in the future I hope so you

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01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:23,060
take care okay bye

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01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:25,970
thank you for Talia alright alright

2077
01:34:35,620 --> 01:34:29,890
everyone so that is it for well actually

2078
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:35,630
that next week the guest is a brad he is

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01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:39,710
the director producer of love and

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01:34:50,020 --> 01:34:43,750
saucers a very I think some independent

2081
01:34:54,610 --> 01:34:50,030
movie conference of that he went to

2082
01:34:56,860 --> 01:34:54,620
called it the weirdest movie ever so but

2083
01:34:59,650 --> 01:34:56,870
it is it is interesting too it's it's

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01:35:02,710 --> 01:34:59,660
about a guy that claims that he has had

2085
01:35:05,140 --> 01:35:02,720
abductions from an early time so that is

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01:35:07,540 --> 01:35:05,150
next week and that's again is at the

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regular time and thank you so much for

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listening I remember anyone can support

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for helping out with the news and our

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that's it for today and remember to keep

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